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post #101 of 178
7/18/12 at 3:51am
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That's like a lawsuit that has to go to one side confused.gif
Also, why can't MS file a complaint about ChromeOS and OS X?

Market share muscle. it's hard to muscle anyone when you have a combined 7% of the market...

at the time we're talking about chrome OS didn't exist an Apple was about 2% even then you'd have to prove they made API changes to make it more difficult to install another browser
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7/18/12 at 3:59am
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That's like a lawsuit that has to go to one side confused.gif
Also, why can't MS file a complaint about ChromeOS and OS X?

Does ChromeOS make it intentional harder for third party browsers to run? Probably not since there's no similar case been brought against them.

Though, MS are doing the same thing with the ARM version of Windows 8 and it's going to get them into the same trouble.




Just FYI for all those ignorant to the details. This isn't about having IE installed by default or it shipping with IE. Microsoft removing IE/not shipping with IE was their solution, not the EU's. The problem was MS making it intentionally harder to run third party browsers and also collecting huge amounts of ad revenue from the MSN homepage. It took just over a decade to sort this out through the courts.

If you are of the mindset that "MS can do what they want" then you are wrong.
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*sigh* ...MS DID do this.... They willfully made it harder for Netscape to run on Windows and this is part of their punishment for their illegal activities. What don't people understand?

So what if they did? Maybe Google should make their own operating system in addition to their own browser and start pushing their own computers and phones ...

Oh, wait, I forgot, they ARE making their own OS, browser, phones, and computers.
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7/18/12 at 4:06am
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So what if they did? Maybe Google should make their own operating system in addition to their own browser and start pushing their own computers and phones ...
Oh, wait, I forgot, they ARE making their own OS, browser, phones, and computers.

Yeah but this isn't about Google... well, at least not back then anyway!
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7/18/12 at 4:21am
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So what if they did? Maybe Google should make their own operating system in addition to their own browser and start pushing their own computers and phones ...
Oh, wait, I forgot, they ARE making their own OS, browser, phones, and computers.

Google had barely incorporated, and Sergy and Larry hadn't know each other long in the timeframe we're talking about.
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7/18/12 at 4:35am
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So what if they did? Maybe Google should make their own operating system in addition to their own browser and start pushing their own computers and phones ...
Oh, wait, I forgot, they ARE making their own OS, browser, phones, and computers.

Because if you let the current monopoly do whatever they want, they will never let another company get a foot in the door to compete with them. You wouldn't have other choices. Hell you barely have other choices even with the fairness laws in place.
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7/18/12 at 4:43am
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So what if they did? Maybe Google should make their own operating system in addition to their own browser and start pushing their own computers and phones ...
Oh, wait, I forgot, they ARE making their own OS, browser, phones, and computers.

If it wasn't for this ruling there would be no Google Chrome, Google Chrome OS or Firefox at all. Hell, it would've paved the way to stopping things like Foobar2000, Winamp, iTunes, VLC, Media Player Classic from ever existing. For instance:

"Oh, hai, you want to start a company called Netflix and have movies and TV streaming on Windows? You have to first buy this licence to our API's otherwise your software won't do anything of value. What? This? This is our own streaming service we invented when you told us about your idea. No, we don't pay royalties on it and it comes preinstalled on all our operating systems. So, lets talk pricing. For 4 years you can use our API and in exchange we want 50% of your revenue and 4 virgin red heads delivered fortnightly"

Such comments like that are pure ignorance. Microsoft do not have the right to have a monopoly on web browsers or which applications can be installed on Windows. It's that simple.

The problem wasn't limited to including IE on Windows, but as reparations for the damages caused the courts ruled MS must make clear the selection of browsers available. MS simply threw their dummy out of the pram and created the N edition of Windows without a browser at all.
Edited by Rubers - 7/18/12 at 4:48am
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7/18/12 at 4:52am
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If it wasn't for this ruling there would be no Google Chrome, Google Chrome OS or Firefox at all. Hell, it would've paved the way to stopping things like Foobar2000, Winamp, iTunes, VLC, Media Player Classic from ever existing. For instance:
"Oh, hai, you want to start a company called Netflix and have movies and TV streaming on Windows? You have to first buy this licence to our API's otherwise your software won't do anything of value. What? This? This is our own streaming service we invented when you told us about your idea. No, we don't pay royalties on it and it comes preinstalled on all our operating systems. So, lets talk pricing. For 4 years you can use our API and in exchange we want 50% of your revenue and 4 virgin red heads delivered fortnightly"
Such comments like that are pure ignorance. Microsoft do not have the right to have a monopoly on web browsers or which applications can be installed on Windows. It's that simple.

With that comes propietary web standards, which really was the whole point of the suit when it started. The world will forever be indebted to Netscape for it's release of source code and the beginning of the mozilla foundation. The internet is indebted to Linux and Apache, in such a huge way that in defending it's self against in the antitrust suits it used apache and Linux to prove that it didn't have a monoply even though 97-01 or so Linux was no threat and Apache was not much more. It's about more than a silly browser attached to the OS.
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So what if they did? Maybe Google should make their own operating system in addition to their own browser and start pushing their own computers and phones ...
Oh, wait, I forgot, they ARE making their own OS, browser, phones, and computers.


Yes.... on open standards that are open.

Why are they open today? BECAUSE THE COURTS SAID MICROSOFT COULD NOT CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY OWNED THE STANDARDS!

Get that through your head.... this happened 10 years ago.


If you know anything about web design, you would know that pages that followed the HTML standards would not always render correctly on IE. Developers then had to tweak their pages to support IE. Do you remember seeing sites saying "Your browser is not support. Please use Internet Explorer"? This is very rare today BECAUSE of the the rulings 10 years ago.
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So what if they did? Maybe Google should make their own operating system in addition to their own browser and start pushing their own computers and phones ...
Oh, wait, I forgot, they ARE making their own OS, browser, phones, and computers.


Yes.... on open standards that are open.

Why are they open today? BECAUSE THE COURTS SAID MICROSOFT COULD NOT CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY OWNED THE STANDARDS!

Get that through your head.... this happened 10 years ago.


If you know anything about web design, you would know that pages that followed the HTML standards would not always render correctly on IE. Developers then had to tweak their pages to support IE. Do you remember seeing sites saying "Your browser is not support. Please use Internet Explorer"? This is very rare today BECAUSE of the the rulings 10 years ago.

Your browser is not support. Please use Internet Explorer
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