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post #131 of 178
7/19/12 at 6:10pm
if you post in a news thread, you should

1.) read the article

2.) read some, if not all, previous posts

3.) have some knowledge of the subject

if none of these statements apply to you, then you are not contributing anything

(note that I am not talking about posters on this page specifically, but just all of the bad posts in this thread in general)
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7/19/12 at 6:51pm
Pretty sure this was even around on later versions of Vista too.

This was a great idea and it was pretty silly of MS to go against the ruling. I never use IE, I update it regularly for security reasons but I never run it. Obviously, IE being IE, it is integrated into the Windows and its installallation is imperitive to networking security updates. I'm fine with that.

They should bring it back, it was a great option for those who don't like to use the 'cancer browser'.
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7/19/12 at 6:55pm
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*sigh* ...MS DID do this.... They willfully made it harder for Netscape to run on Windows and this is part of their punishment for their illegal activities. What don't people understand?

Well yes, and that was all the way back in, what, 1997 - 2000.

Right now I can talk to the most basic-level computer users I know (i.e. "what is a CPU?"), and guess what, they're running Chrome - and they got it themselves. And as I said - its not a problem IF they DONT make it harder to run other browsers. You might as well argue that Disk Cleanup is anti-competitive with CCleaner.
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post #134 of 178
7/19/12 at 7:01pm
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*sigh* ...MS DID do this.... They willfully made it harder for Netscape to run on Windows and this is part of their punishment for their illegal activities. What don't people understand?

Well yes, and that was all the way back in, what, 1997 - 2000.

Right now I can talk to the most basic-level computer users I know (i.e. "what is a CPU?"), and guess what, they're running Chrome - and they got it themselves. And as I said - its not a problem IF they DONT make it harder to run other browsers. You might as well argue that Disk Cleanup is anti-competitive with CCleaner.

You do not understand the circumstances. Microsoft purposely changed open standards and used marketshare dominance to marginalize the competition. They did make it harder to run other browsers.

Please read this before making statements about Microsoft's monopolistic actions being fine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish
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post #135 of 178
7/19/12 at 8:04pm
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Windows should also come with Open Office, Norton and Photoshop as options as well too. Maybe even Apache.
That seems to be Dell's approach. wink.gif
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7/22/12 at 3:13am
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Well yes, and that was all the way back in, what, 1997 - 2000.
Right now I can talk to the most basic-level computer users I know (i.e. "what is a CPU?"), and guess what, they're running Chrome - and they got it themselves. And as I said - its not a problem IF they DONT make it harder to run other browsers. You might as well argue that Disk Cleanup is anti-competitive with CCleaner.

It's not that people don't know how to get another browser, it's that they (MS) were being punished for previous wrongdoings. They are forced to essentially advertise the competitions' browsers. Whether people know about the other choices already or not, advertising still helps those companies. And MS can't just go and ignore court appointed rulings just because the crime was a long time ago.

Also, going along with your analogy, if Disk Cleanup were to purposefully put something in the registry that would make CCleaner work poorly, then that would be anti-competitive.
Edited by merlinx76 - 7/22/12 at 3:16am
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At the end of the day it is Microsoft's Operating system, They have the right to change or add anything they desire.

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At the end of the day it is Microsoft's Operating system, They have the right to change or add anything they desire.

Except that in reality, they don't. They have to follow laws and regulations. The law says that you're not allowed to intentionally gimp the competition in any way.

Imagine if Intel went to OEM's and asked them, nay, paid them to intentionally not provide AMD based solutions in order to get the upper hand effectively gimping competition. Do you think there'd be an uproar?... Oh wait.

Microsoft are no different. The punishment of having to provide a choice is just that, a punishment for wrongdoing.
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Except that in reality, they don't. They have to follow laws and regulations. The law says that you're not allowed to intentionally gimp the competition in any way.
Imagine if Intel went to OEM's and asked them, nay, paid them to intentionally not provide AMD based solutions in order to get the upper hand effectively gimping competition. Do you think there'd be an uproar?... Oh wait.
Microsoft are no different. The punishment of having to provide a choice is just that, a punishment for wrongdoing.

1) I never said it was wrong or right, But it is within there right to provide IE with the os regardless.

2) That did happen.

 

 

You are still paying for Microsofts product.

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1) I never said it was wrong or right, But it is within there right to provide IE with the os regardless.
2) That did happen.


You are still paying for Microsofts product.

1) they can, but they can't gimp others.
2) that was the point they did, it's sarcasm
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