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7/17/12 at 4:38pm

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It doesn't matter cause the entire legal system is corrupt. Why should we have to remember it? Does it matter anymore? You disable IE through settings now. Nobody has caps or slow download speeds. As for more severe punishments like I said the legal system is corrupt. I am by no means trying to start a fight with you. I am only saying what is true.

I'm not disagreeing with the corruptness.

Now MS goes on to break more rules but we should just let them because the original crime was a while ago and this new crime only happened because of the punishment of that old crime? So you are saying we should just all stop caring about any of it because the system is too far gone? So let's not even bother punishing them when the courts actually do rule that they have done wrong?

It doesn't matter because of the many other options and work-arounds available.

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7/17/12 at 4:42pm

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Wow, so much n00b in this thread. Just... So... Much...

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7/17/12 at 4:55pm

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Kind of funny people complain that the legal system is corrupt to justify complaining about the legal system working properly. For a change, anti-competitive practices were punished meaningfully - by forcing competition.

They diverged from the standard practice of allowing a company to:

1) Gain market share and eliminate competition by anti-competitive practices.
2) Pay inconsequential fine.
3) Rake in enormous profits while the victims of your anti-competitive practices (both competitors and consumers) suffer.

It didn't break Microsoft and it fostered competition in the browser space, benefiting everyone. If Microsoft screwed up in complying with their punishment, they take the hit. People get dinged all the time for failing to comply with rules attached to them as punishment by the courts or as part of bargains with the courts, and they are often things people normally wouldn't be punished for.

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7/17/12 at 4:57pm

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It doesn't matter because of the many other options and work-arounds available.

There is no logic in this train of thought.

MS broke the law>>> They got punished>>> MS ignored the punishment>>> We shouldn't care because now we have work-arounds.

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7/17/12 at 5:18pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by merlinx76

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It doesn't matter because of the many other options and work-arounds available.

There is no logic in this train of thought.

MS broke the law>>> They got punished>>> MS ignored the punishment>>> We shouldn't care because now we have work-arounds.

I see logic in that.

Why wait for them to be punished again? Microsoft's Windows 7 is not the only OS in the world. There are plenty to choose from.

EDIT: To make it make more sense.
Edited by bigkahuna360 - 7/17/12 at 5:27pm

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7/17/12 at 5:35pm

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So Duckie I am interested now, which APIs were Microsoft intentionally making harder for browser developers to use?

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7/17/12 at 5:41pm

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You folks don't know a monopoly when you see one. Did you forget how MSFT destroyed Netscape Navigator? They caused web browser dark ages for years until Mozilla broke through. They can do it again. Be afraid of MSFT's corporate muscle.

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7/17/12 at 6:08pm

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If your aren't intelligent enough to download/install Chrome/firefox/opera on your own, then you have no business using a computer.

Plus the last thing I want is for the Windows OS disc to have bloatware on it.

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7/17/12 at 6:13pm

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Some people on this thread probably should have paid more attention to the Netscape vs. IE browser war. For the last time, MSFT were punished for wrecking Netscape by integrating IE into the OS, which persuaded users to use it because it was already there, and downloading another browser took ages on a 56k modem. The EU Commission then announced in January 2009 that they were investigating the bundling of Internet Explorer with Windows, saying "Microsoft's tying of Internet Explorer to the Windows operating system harms competition between web browsers, undermines product innovation and ultimately reduces consumer choice." In response, MSFT said that it would not bundle Internet Explorer with Windows 7 E, the version of Windows 7 to be sold in Europe. The commission then agreed to let MSFT show a web page when starting IE for the first time, so that users could choose a browser from a randomly sorted list of 12. You can read more about it on Wikipedia's page for BrowserChoice.

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7/17/12 at 6:18pm

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It's their OS, let them ship it with their browser. I'm so sick of the EU whining about this. Chrome/FF are doing fine with Microsoft pushing IE. They don't need help.

You don't live in Europe you don't know what's going on over there. Just because you have this opinion doesn't mean Europeans share the same. You have no clue why the EU reacts this way, go brush up on some Microsoft/EU history before whining.

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120GB V3 MAX IOPS, 12TB External Lian Li EX-50	Lite-On iHBS112-29, Pioneer BDR-206DBKS	Stock	Windows 7 Pro x64
Monitor	Keyboard	Power	Case
Sony 54.6" XBR HX929	Logitech MK550	Seasonic X650 GOLD	Lian Li PC-B25FWB
Mouse	Mouse Pad	Audio
Logitech MK550	Ikea Leather mouse pad	Onboard
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i7 2600K (4.6GHz)	ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe	MSI R6970 Lightning	8GB G.Skill Ripjaws X 1600MHz
Hard Drive	Optical Drive	Cooling	OS
OCZ Vertex 3 240GB, 12TB External Lian Li EX-50	2x Samsung SH-S223F	NZXT Havik 140	Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
Monitor	Keyboard	Power	Case
Samsung P2570	CM Storm Trigger	Seasonic X750 GOLD	Lian Li PC-P80NB
Mouse	Mouse Pad	Audio
Logitech G400 (the new MX518)	NuPad Leather Mouse Pad	Asus Xonar Essence ST (UNi drivers 1.41)
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