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Well now that Trinity's out we already have a good idea of how PD will perform. SR will probably be where AMD really starts competing with Intel in the $200-$400 space again as they're supposed to move to an entirely new platform with an integrated northbridge and a much faster bus among other modern advancements that Intel has had for quite some time.
I'm wondering if I should get PD or skip it for SR? PD looks promising enough,not sure of I feel like waiting that long either.
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lol, Why. They should stick with what they are good at, GPUs
Then you can enjoy paying exorbitant amounts for a Intel CPU,which would still probably be okay with you guys because it's Intel because it's better right?
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I was an AMD lover and still hope that they rise but lets be honest, AMD is failing in the computer CPU section. They are more focused on the Laptop section . GPU they are the best tongue.gif but im getting off topic.
AMD chips nowadays suck. PLEASE AMD if your going to release these QUAD cores just make it better then the PHll . PLEASE I BEG YOU !

Vishera IPC is almost certain to be similar to Phenom II. However, core scaling on Bulldozer-based designs is not as good as core scaling on more conventional designs. So while these should match a heavily overclocked Phenom II in single-threaded workloads, they WILL fall behind in multithreaded workloads due to their scaling being more like that of a Phenom II X3 (don't take this as, "they will perform similar to a Phenom II X3"; those rarely get above 3.7GHz whereas these should be pushing 5GHz).

All in all the improvement here will be similar to what we saw with Phenom II. Now let's hope that Steamroller, which will be a relatively large change, not in CPU µarch but in the overall platform, will not be a fail (see Bulldozer) and will not yield little actual benefit (see AM2 and every socket that came after it).

Unless you're using all 8 cores in the 8 core one; or they gain a higher enough clock speed advantage to negate it.
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Amd have yet to surpass the Core 2 Quad performance, specifically the Q9xxx series.

That depends on the workload, in some types even a Thuban or highly clocked Deneb wins (As do the models of BD with more cores than the Q9xx0s) and elsewhere it's pretty much an even match.
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I'm wondering if I should get PD or skip it for SR? PD looks promising enough,not sure of I feel like waiting that long either.

The only reason I see so far to buy PD is a dislike of Intel, though there is always the possibility that AMD will price them very aggressively. SR will bring the heat IMO.
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Amd have yet to surpass the Core 2 Quad performance, specifically the Q9xxx series.
Deneb.
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benchmark stable is good enough to be considered stable if you're a benchmarker which still counts no? i've hit 4.1ghz at 1.42v 24/7 stable on my 955 last year before the hurricane.

I have an X3 that will bench 4.5 on air,and an X4 that will do 4.4ish,an X5 around 4.3. Getting an X6 to run stable at 4.3 even with watercooling is a REAL tall order.You start getting around 180-200w TDP and it's a whole different ball game.Look at the world records,you won't find many 3D benches on air over 4.1GHz.

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Amd have yet to surpass the Core 2 Quad performance, specifically the Q9xxx series.

Your dreaming,time to upgrade.
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Deneb.

Deneb is slower than Yorkfield. Even Yorkfield has a higher IPC than any AMD chip.
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Deneb is slower than Yorkfield. Even Yorkfield has a higher IPC than any AMD chip.

The IPC point has gotten out of hand. Arguing back with "THAT'S JUST BECAUSE YORKFIELD HAS 10MB MORE L2 CACHE INTEL IS CHEATING" is just as legitimate. The difference is something like 5% and Deneb clocks higher. It's like, ignoring PCi-E 3.0, comparing a 4.5GHz 3770k with a 5GHz 2700k.
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The IPC point has gotten out of hand. Arguing back with "THAT'S JUST BECAUSE YORKFIELD HAS 10MB MORE L2 CACHE INTEL IS CHEATING" is just as legitimate. The difference is something like 5% and Deneb clocks higher. It's like, ignoring PCi-E 3.0, comparing a 4.5GHz 3770k with a 5GHz 2700k.
This, and the price difference between Yorkfields and Denebs when they were prime competitors was incredible.

In other news, thread is about Piledriver.
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I expected much higher clocks on the quads...
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best stable speed on my 1090t is 3.8Ghz 1.47v, that's on air. anyone hitting 4.0ghz on air lives in a very cool climate, most of the time you cant do anything over 4.0Ghz without water cooling on these chips.

I can get 4.2GHz on my 955 BE (C3) with an ambient of around 23C and it's 24/7 stable on air. I can get it to 4.5Ghz but not for long, I need better cooling to get it stable on 4 cores. The CPU validation I have in my sig at 4.5Ghz is running on 2 cores rather than 4.
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