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The Phenom II has an L3 cache, which gives it a 5-15 percent edge right off the bat, depending on the application. And the Phenom is on much higher quality silicon; remember that all X3's are by definition defective X4's to begin with. Put that 955 on a good motherboard and with a good aftermarket cooler, and you'll hit at least 3.8 GHz, and probably top 4.0. Everyone who gets a Deneb from right before AMD EOL'd the Phenom II is getting great overclocks.
However, don't try overclocking a Phenom II on one of those bargain-basement motherboards. None of them have a voltage regulation setup that can handle an overclocked Phenom II. Choose a 970 board from this chart that is approved for overclocking: http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboard-vrm-information-list. There's always one or the other that's on sale at Newegg or Microcenter at a reasonable price.
If you can get a Deneb to 4.0, you may discover that you don't need that i5 anytime soon. And if you get an good AM3+ motherboard, you can get Piledriver later on if you decide you want that.

Actually sounds like a really good idea...
I'll probably pick up a nice 970 off of newegg, I also already had planned for an aftermarket cooler and thermal paste since its an OEM product.
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Obviously I don't know your situation, but to me $120+ seems like a little much to just toss aside in six months. People like to flame the AMDs, but my Phenom II 965 OCed to 4.1GHz is pretty sweet. I don't see any reason to upgrade from it. It's smashed anything and everything I've thrown at it for the past 9 months.
Well, im really used to Intel being a way to go.
I was going to realistically sell the Phenom and its MB when it came to those 6 months.
But if it does hold out strongly, i'll end up just keeping it.
I'll have to see for myself! thumb.gif
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I would recommend the ASUS M5A97. Had that board before my Sabertooth. Got a pretty stable 4.0 out of it. Rock solid at 3.9
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post #14 of 47
I was just about to suggest the same thing, if you can afford it you really cant go wrong. it had too many great features for me to pass up at that price.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131767&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-NA-_-NA

Heres a pic of it in the build, the only down side is the bown pcb. rolleyes.gif

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Mine before I switched to my Sabertooth: Check it out (Click to show)
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post #16 of 47
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I would recommend the ASUS M5A97. Had that board before my Sabertooth. Got a pretty stable 4.0 out of it. Rock solid at 3.9

Wow... pretty ironic on how thats what I wanted!
Whats weird is that the 955 isn't a B.E.
Will it still O.C?
post #17 of 47
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I was just about to suggest the same thing, if you can afford it you really cant go wrong. it had too many great features for me to pass up at that price.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131767&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-NA-_-NA
Heres a pic of it in the build, the only down side is the bown pcb. rolleyes.gif
109_2531.jpg
Nice build!
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Mine before I switched to my Sabertooth: Check it out (Click to show)
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Looks slick, nice clean inside
post #19 of 47
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Wow... pretty ironic on how thats what I wanted!
Whats weird is that the 955 isn't a B.E.
Will it still O.C?

The Black Edition means that the CPU has an unlocked multiplier. Similar to (correct me if I'm wrong) the 2500k. So yes, it will still overclock, just without the use of the multiplier.
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Looks slick, nice clean inside

Much appreciated. thumb.gif
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post #20 of 47
The Black Edition means that the CPU has an unlocked multiplier so you can over clock useing the multiplyer and FBS and non Black you can only overclock with just FBS
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