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I currently am running my the system in my signature with this power supply.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371031

Within a month or two I will be adding a second 670. I have done a bit of research, but the results have been inconclusive about whether or not said PSU will be able to handle 670 sli (no overclock) with my CPU at 4.4.

Will I be OK or should I upgrade?

(Also, I realize that the PSU only has 2 PCI express plugs but there should be enough current on the single 12V rail to use a couple molex to 6 pin adapters, right?)

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The 620W Neo ECO actually has plenty of power for adding another GTX 670 (even though using those molex adapters would make it look a little ugly in my opinion - but it would work).  Check this out:

 

Guru3D did a review on three GTX 670's in order to test SLI and 3-way SLI.  One of the things they did in this review is measure the power consumption in three different ways:  first with one GTX 670, then with two in SLI, and then finally with all three in 3-way SLI.  For each test, they measured the power consumption at the wall outlet using an intense 3D application in order to only stress the 670(s).  They won't reveal which 3D application they're using, but here's what they said about it:

Quote:
Note: there has been a much discussion using FurMark as a stress test to measure power load. Furmark is so hard on the GPU that it does not represent an objective power draw compared to really hefty gaming. If we take a very-harsh-on-the-GPU gaming title, then measure power consumption and then compare the very same with Furmark, the power consumption can be 50 to 100W higher on a high-end graphics card solely because of FurMark.

We decided to move away from Furmark in early 2011 and are now using a game like application which stresses the GPU 100% yet is much more representable of power consumption and heat levels coming from the GPU. We however are not disclosing which application that is because we do not want AMD/ATI/NVIDIA to 'optimize & monitor' our stress test whatsoever, for our objective reasons of course.

 

Here's their test system:

 

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-670-2-and-3way-sli-review/7

 

Here's a note about their test system:

Quote:
Our test system is based on a power-hungry Core i7 965 / X58 system. This setup is overclocked to 3.75 GHz. Next to that we have energy-saving functions disabled for this motherboard and processor (to ensure consistent benchmark results). On average we are using roughly 50 to 100 Watts more than a standard PC due to higher CPU clock settings, water-cooling, additional cold cathode lights, etc.

 

 

First, I'll show the power draw of their system as measured at their wall outlet for all 3 tests individually.  After that, I'll add 200W in order to account for the maximum possible power draw of everything else in the system,, and then I'll multiply each of the 3 by .85 because their PSU is likely to be about 85% efficient.

 

 

Test #1:

 

One GTX 670 in their system under full load resulted in a total system power draw at the wall outlet of 279W.

 

 

Test #2:

 

Two GTX 670s in SLI in their system under full load resulted in a total system power draw at the wall outlet of 433W.

 

 

Test #3:

 

Three GTX 670s in 3-way SLI their system under full load resulted in a total system power draw at the wall outlet of 583W.

 

 

Adding 200W to each:

 

  1. 479W (one GTX 670)
  2. 633W (two GTX 670s in SLI)
  3. 783W (three GTX 670s in 3-way SLI)

 

 

These are the theoretical absolute-maximum power draws of their test system at the wall outlet if absolutely everything in it were completely maxed out, including their fans, hard drive, optical drive, etc.  However, their PSU is not 100% efficient which means their system would pull less than 479W, or 633W, or 783W - all from the PSU.

 

Here is what the system would be pulling from their PSU if it were 85% efficient during each power draw:

 

  1. 407W (one GTX 670)
  2. 538W (two GTX 670s in SLI)
  3. 665W (three GTX 670s in 3-way SLI)

 

 

However, I am being unrealistic because I added 200W which is like saying that everything is completely maxed out, including the little things like hard drives, optical drives, fans, memory, etc.  Not only that, but it's like I'm saying that both the GPU(s) and the CPU are maxed out to their limits, and that doesn't happen very often (if ever).

 

The 620W Neo ECO would even be able to power your system if you had two GTX 680s in it:  http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-680-3way-sli-review/4  They got their test system to pull 473W from the wall outlet with two GTX 680s in it.  So 473+200W is 673W, multiplied by 85% efficiency results in 572W of power being pulled from the PSU at the most.

 

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Wow two cables, I appreciate your quick, thorough response. (+1 rep) I was thinking I would be ok, I just wanted to be reassured. Thanks smile.gif
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Wow two cables, I appreciate your quick, thorough response. (+1 rep) I was thinking I would be ok, I just wanted to be reassured. Thanks smile.gif

 

You're very welcome!

 

I'm actually just sitting around looking at the Unanswered Threads section, so that's what enabled me to reply right away.  :)

    
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Also, I agree that using molex adapters would be wildly unattractive, but that's a sacrifice I am willing to make to save having to buy a new power supply. Although I'm pretty picky when it comes to cable management so depending on how bad it looks I may have to find an alternative. If nothing else I could just modify the adapters to be a little longer and plug them in behind the mobo tray and run them out. Then they would just look like part of the original PSU cables.... thinking about that I might just do that in the first place.

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I wouldn't know how to do that, so if you know how and if you can, then that would be really cool.

    
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Twocables FTW,, Actually op if you know how to solder you can make the the molex to pci cables longer, Just make sure you use good heat shrink and the same size wire as the adapters have,,
    
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Twocables FTW,, Actually op if you know how to solder you can make the the molex to pci cables longer, Just make sure you use good heat shrink and the same size wire as the adapters have,,

I have done a few power cable modifications before, and I do have some wire and heatshrink laying around from the last time I think (Somewhere in the closet haha), which was also modification of a PCI express power cable. I'm sure it won't be too tough, and it will look a whole lot better.

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