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post #1 of 15
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I had a Gateway XHD3000 a few years ago, but I had issues with how hot it became (and the heat output into my room), so I gave it to my older brother who used it as an office monitor, and he told me it died about 3 months ago. I liked how I could connect my game consoles to it in addition to using it as my computer monitor, though. Now I'm wondering what current extreme-resolution (i.e. 2560x1440 or higher) monitors (including less-publicized Korean brands) are usable for this.
The following are models I'm aware of:

Dell U2711 - DP, 2xDVI, HDMI, D-Sub, Component, Composite
Dell 3008WFP - DP, 2xDVI, HDMI, D-Sub, Component, S-Video, Composite
Dell U3011 - DP, 2xDVI, 2xHDMI, D-Sub, Component
CrossOver 2720MDP - DP, DVI, 2xHDMI, D-Sub, Component
CrossOver 3020MDP - DP, DVI, 2xHDMI, D-Sub, Component
Yamakasi Catleap Q270 Multi - DVI, HDMI, D-Sub

I've seen opinions from some people that the anti-glare coating on the dell ultrasharps is awful, and I've noticed that they have high power consumption with their CCFL backlights (which would mean a lot of heat output).
The CrossOver 2720MDP looks very weak in the contrast ratio department in this review, even compared to other IPS panels:
http://www.playwares.com/xe/22822357
The Yamakasi would need some kind of adapter or a capture card in my computer to handle consoles with component output.

Are there any other monitors that fit the criteria (I don't insist on IPS; I'm willing to consider VA or even TN if there are any at these resolutions), and are there other drawbacks to these monitors that users have noticed?
post #2 of 15
I have the U2711 and have to say that I love it. In games (Battlefield 3, Skyrim, Guild Wars 2 Beta) I haven't noticed 'ghosting' or 'input lag'. The build quality is exceptional. I, like many others, looked into the cheaper Korean alternatives and ultimately decided against them due to the build quality (crappy stands) and lack of suitable warranty (3 years no-dead-pixel guarantee on the Ultrasharps). I use the monitor everyday for coding, gaming, watching movies, etc.

I might not be the best person to ask about the anti-glare coating, however. I've used Dell monitors for nearly 8 years now, and as a result of fairly well-adjusted to it. Also, having my computer in a sunny room makes the AG coating all the more a necessity. I haven't noticed any heat from the monitor (though I do live in a relatively warm climate). I cannot comment on power consumption.

I'd definitely recommend it if you don't mind shelling out the ~$300-$400 extra it'll cost over a Korean brand.
post #3 of 15
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I have the U2711 and have to say that I love it. In games (Battlefield 3, Skyrim, Guild Wars 2 Beta) I haven't noticed 'ghosting' or 'input lag'. The build quality is exceptional. I, like many others, looked into the cheaper Korean alternatives and ultimately decided against them due to the build quality (crappy stands) and lack of suitable warranty (3 years no-dead-pixel guarantee on the Ultrasharps). I use the monitor everyday for coding, gaming, watching movies, etc.
I might not be the best person to ask about the anti-glare coating, however. I've used Dell monitors for nearly 8 years now, and as a result of fairly well-adjusted to it. Also, having my computer in a sunny room makes the AG coating all the more a necessity. I haven't noticed any heat from the monitor (though I do live in a relatively warm climate). I cannot comment on power consumption.
I'd definitely recommend it if you don't mind shelling out the ~$300-$400 extra it'll cost over a Korean brand.

For a sunny room you may be stuck with having to use the AG coating. I personally can't stand it. But the light in the room with my computer is well controlled, so I never get reflections. My Qnix is the best looking monitor I've owned. For $300 to $400 extra (My Qnix was $295) I could get a second monitor, or a second beefy video card for Crossfire or SLI.

But, everyone has different tastes and needs. I'm glad you have something you like.
post #4 of 15
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I'd definitely recommend it if you don't mind shelling out the ~$300-$400 extra it'll cost over a Korean brand.

I haven't ruled out the U2711, I just have a little trouble justifying the price - it runs for around 2 to 3 times the price of a Samsung P2770HD for only 1.77 times the pixels. That's why I'm trying to find out about alternatives. I know the U2711 is IPS while the P2770HD is TN, but I'm colorblind (deuteranopia if you want to be specific), so the improved color accuracy isn't a significant advantage for me.
post #5 of 15
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The CrossOver 2720MDP looks very weak in the contrast ratio department in this review, even compared to other IPS panels

That's the old version, which has been replaced by the revised version which has the same contrast as the rest of the models they reviewed.

http://www.playwares.com/xe/index.php?mid=maingame&page=2&document_srl=22912327

I have a revised 2720MDP, the out of the box contrast was 950:1, I get 850:1 after calibration @120cdm/2 brightness. With a 30" you will be lucky to get over 700:1 after much needed calibration. If you like over-saturated and inaccurate wide gamut colours then none of this matters.

30 inchers and the U2711 have poor contrast (700:1-800:1). Dell should be releasing the 3013 this year or at the start of next, don't buy a 3011, essentially you are paying for a 2007 LCD panel with extra inputs. Also keep in mind how grainy matte IPS panels are

This image shows display coatings up close. Note how grainy and distorted the U2711 looks compared to the 27Q LED-P, which is a glossy CrossOver.

Another 27" option is the Samsung S27A850D which uses the lightest of all matte coatings, semi-glossy coatings. The image shows the 24A850DW which uses the same coating and looks much clearer than the matte IPS panels.

http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2012/test-samsung-s27a850d-led.html

If you have 1200$ to spend on a 3011 get a Samsung S27B970D instead.
Edited by MenacingTuba - 7/19/12 at 2:42pm
post #6 of 15
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The revised CrossOver 2720mdp looks like it would be better, but I'd have to worry whether the seller I got it from was correct about having the revised version.
The S27A850D doesn't even have HDMI, but the semi-glossy coating looks good in those subpixel pictures, so if I decide to go back to having a separate TV for my consoles, it would be a strong choice.
The S27B970D only has DP, DVI, and HDMI; the lack of analog inputs would make it difficult to connect older consoles, and as far as I can tell, it has no headphone jack, so getting sound from hdmi source to external speakers (instead of the monitor's built-in speakers) would be tricky.

A new Dell 30 incher coming out intrigues me, though. Do you have any preview details, like panel type or which inputs will still be included?

Also, I've seen subpixel comparisons like that before, but I'm not convinced that the blurriness evident in the zoomed subpixels would translate into issues with reading text on the monitor. If you can find me photos of text being shown on such a monitor that demonstrate the issue, I'd be more inclined to believe it.
post #7 of 15
I don't have a 2711 but I do have a 2709 with wide gamut and it pales in comparison against my 2720MDP. It's not really the extra resolution, I put on the same 1920x1080 wallpaper and it just look so much clearer and the colors are more natural. The 2709 was fine with color most of the time but you always feel that it was a bit over-saturated. It's like a slight constant pink cheek on people when you watch video and photos.
post #8 of 15
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The revised CrossOver 2720mdp looks like it would be better, but I'd have to worry whether the seller I got it from was correct about having the revised version.

Last time I checked most sellers had them. The 2720MDP with the ergonomic stand will definately be revised. The non-revised units were made in April while the newer units came out in May.

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The S27A850D doesn't even have HDMI, but the semi-glossy coating looks good in those subpixel pictures, so if I decide to go back to having a separate TV for my consoles, it would be a strong choice.

You don't need HDMI, just use an HDMI-DVI cord or adapter with the 850D.
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The S27B970D only has DP, DVI, and HDMI; the lack of analog inputs would make it difficult to connect older consoles, and as far as I can tell, it has no headphone jack, so getting sound from hdmi source to external speakers (instead of the monitor's built-in speakers) would be tricky.

Image quality should not be put on the back burner in favour of having a component input. Older low res consoles will look like garbage on a high res display, despite the scaling.

With consoles you can use a 3$ Xbox 360 RCA adapater and use the Red/Yellow component cords or optical out for audio. Same thing with the PS3, except you don't need an adapter.

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A new Dell 30 incher coming out intrigues me, though. Do you have any preview details, like panel type or which inputs will still be included?

Newer panels were announced earlier this year, for a winter release, but that is it. 30" displays really do suck compared to the 27" displays being offered now, except most seem to automatically thing that because a display is 2560x1600 and has wide gamut colours it is amazing, even though games and movies are not created with extended colour spaces in mind.
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Also, I've seen subpixel comparisons like that before, but I'm not convinced that the blurriness evident in the zoomed subpixels would translate into issues with reading text on the monitor. If you can find me photos of text being shown on such a monitor that demonstrate the issue, I'd be more inclined to believe it.

That's the best comparison, all done by the same person. If the pixels are blurry, how could everything else not be affected? It defies logic that everything would not be affected, and if it wasn't there wouldn't be tons of people complaining about the coating LG uses and returning their displays.

Cr33d removed the coating from his U2312HM, you can see it here:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1216559/how-to-remove-anti-glare-coating-from-a-dell-u2312hm-monitor-and-others
Edited by MenacingTuba - 7/19/12 at 4:25pm
post #9 of 15
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Image quality should not be put on the back burner in favour of having a component input. Older low res consoles will look like garbage on a high res display, despite the scaling.
For SNES and N64, I agree, and I'm thinking about using an emulator for my games for those systems, but they'd require composite (or s-video, or even SCART) anyway, not component. I've played GameCube games over component cables on the XHD3000, and they looked okay. My Wii should be okay as well.
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With consoles you can use a 3$ Xbox 360 RCA adapater and use the Red/Yellow component cords or optical out for audio. Same thing with the PS3, except you don't need an adapter.
I was concerned about the X360, since the previous RCA adapter I had also had component video, but blocked the hdmi output. However, now that I look, I see there are some X360 cables that only carry the audio and leave room for hdmi for the video. For PS3, the component adapter doesn't interfere with other ports.
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Cr33d removed the coating from his U2312HM, you can see it here:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1216559/how-to-remove-anti-glare-coating-from-a-dell-u2312hm-monitor-and-others
I've seen that before. That's not just the anti-glare coating being removed, but the protective plastic sheet that the anti-glare coating was applied to, and it leaves the front polarizer exposed. If I end up getting the U2711 and find I can't stand the AG coating, I think I'd try the clear packaging tape trick first. See this post:
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1036248628&postcount=13
Now that I look at that post again, I notice it has a text picture that is cause for doubting that the anti-glare is that bad for text, though I'll admit it isn't using subpixel font smoothing, which might be more affected.
post #10 of 15
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doubting that the anti-glare is that bad for text.

Buying a U2711 only to remove the coating with the risk of damaging it is retarded when the Samsung 850D is similarly priced.

It seems like you really want a Dell, so I suggest you just try one out and I can tell you I told you so later. I've owned displays with every kind of coating, and I will never use a matte display again unless it is semi-glossy. Text isn't super blurry, it just looks so dirty/grainy/sparkly, as do all whites+light colours. Film grain free movies will look grainy during scenes with whites+light colours, as do games.

This should give you an idea of the "amazing," wide gamut colours so many people love. A Dell U2711 is next to a sRGB 1440p Hazro



Wide Gamut colours do not look natural unless calibrated and sRGB displays do sRGB better, as well as have better contrast/blacks.

Here is a thread were people on [H], including myself (NCX) argue about the anti-glare coating
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1640220&highlight=paranoia
Edited by MenacingTuba - 7/19/12 at 6:12pm
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