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Intel proves time and time again that large research funding pays off. AMD's R&D budget is something like 600 mill...intels? Try 10 fold. That's why their processors are better, in every way. Every way.
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Even though this isn't very on topic: In response to the poster who stated "who would recommend an AMD CPU....etc.", I would recommend an AMD CPU over an Intel one in a heartbeat. I'll give my reasoning. I have gone through my academic career using AMD PCs; I used an Athlon in elementary and middle school. I am currently a high school student who makes 140$ a month teaching badminton. This money is divided among my school lunch, clothing, and other expenses; thus, I do not have much left for a PC. Granted, I could have saved longer for a 2600k, but I still chose the 8150 because I believe that extra 100$ would be better spent on dinner with friends or a nice pair of shoes. I honestly do not care that you have better 3DMark scores than I do, nor do I care that you get 20 more fps than I do in BF3 because anything over 100 is already seamless. Call me a fanboy, but I don't have the money to spend on marginal gains(from a realistic scenario, not benchmarks). That concludes my rant on AMD.
On topic: I feel this is selective journalism as Nvidia also suffered losses;however, I am eagerly awaiting for the return of AMD heyday.

Easy to say when you don't pay hydro. Tell me, do you know how many watts your 8150 takes? 125w to be exact. 2600k takes 95w. So which cpu is really cheaper? Sure in retrospect the amd cpu doesn't cost as much to purchase, but it costs you more in the long run. Not to mention my rig let's my memory get up to 2400mhz, meaning I'm not bottleneckled anytime soon. What speed does yous do? 1866(oc)?
Edited by 8800GT - 7/22/12 at 1:03am
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Easy to say when you don't pay hydro. Tell me, do you know how many watts your 8150 takes? 125w to be exact. 2600k takes 95w. So which cpu is really cheaper? Sure in retrospect the amd cpu doesn't cost as much to purchase, but it costs you more in the long run. Not to mention my rig let's my memory get up to 2400mhz, meaning I'm not bottleneckled anytime soon. What speed does yous do? 1866(oc)?

I keep seeing this around here. Bulldozer does draw more power but if you have any of the energy saving deals turned it won't amount to much of a difference. Yes I know this for a fact. I have being watching my UPS with a meter built in telling me how much power is being pulled from the wall. Running Prime and Furmark with my system at 4.6 ghz with 2 6950's overclocked the highest I've seen it draw is about 480w.

A second point I want to point out is that TDP does not equal power draw. TDP refers to the heat or energy the system must dissipate. It is somewhat related to power draw but not the actual power draw.
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I keep seeing this around here. Bulldozer does draw more power but if you have any of the energy saving deals turned it won't amount to much of a difference. Yes I know this for a fact. I have being watching my UPS with a meter built in telling me how much power is being pulled from the wall. Running Prime and Furmark with my system at 4.6 ghz with 2 6950's overclocked the highest I've seen it draw is about 480w.
A second point I want to point out is that TDP does not equal power draw. TDP refers to the heat or energy the system must dissipate. It is somewhat related to power draw but not the actual power draw.
Only half of this story even gets told. 100% load power consumption is pretty irrelevant to most users, likewise AMD is engineering efficiency where it matters to most.




(I know it's easy to say Intel wins, but this is to show for everyone who says Bulldozer is worse than K10 and K10.5 is wrong. AMD completely designed a new archtype and it beats the archtype they have been milking for over a decade. It's also easy to forget Bulldozer's conception was to beat/compete with Nehalem. It's easy to confuse "behind" with "incapable".)

BD undoubtedly has a voltage leak, and a big one. But AMD's new CIC archtype is intelligent design. It's not perfect for everyone right now, maybe ever, but the design is solid. With their first iteration performing idle feats like this, for an 8 core, is pretty cool. Dare to say, for the average overclocker a bulldozer might actually save them a dime every month.
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While I respect AMD, in my mind they are always going to be one-step bellow Intel when it comes to pure CPU performance. Their GPUs on the other-hand are simply amazing considering their low cost compaired to some Nvidia cards on the market! smile.gif
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Even though this isn't very on topic: In response to the poster who stated "who would recommend an AMD CPU....etc.", I would recommend an AMD CPU over an Intel one in a heartbeat. I'll give my reasoning. I have gone through my academic career using AMD PCs; I used an Athlon in elementary and middle school. I am currently a high school student who makes 140$ a month teaching badminton. This money is divided among my school lunch, clothing, and other expenses; thus, I do not have much left for a PC. Granted, I could have saved longer for a 2600k, but I still chose the 8150 because I believe that extra 100$ would be better spent on dinner with friends or a nice pair of shoes. I honestly do not care that you have better 3DMark scores than I do, nor do I care that you get 20 more fps than I do in BF3 because anything over 100 is already seamless. Call me a fanboy, but I don't have the money to spend on marginal gains(from a realistic scenario, not benchmarks). That concludes my rant on AMD.
On topic: I feel this is selective journalism as Nvidia also suffered losses;however, I am eagerly awaiting for the return of AMD heyday.

 

IMO AMD is a great budget choice for gamers who dont want to spend a ton and want to play games but thats where it sets AMD + Intel Apart. AMD strives for the low budget CPU that gets you by where IMO Intel sets its goals higher to push the maximum. Yes prices are a bit more with Intel but you get what you pay for. Will AMD make a comback. Who knows I hope they do its great competition.

 

I will admit tho AMD has a great GPU but the CPUs are lacking. I like my 7950 its a killer card at a low cost

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Hopefully they come out with a series of chips soon that can at least compete with the i5 series. :/ I really want to be an AMD user, but when an i3 is better clock for clock than their best cpu, it's hard to justify it.
 
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