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GTX 670 in a Phenom II X4 965 BE?

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7/20/12 at 12:21am
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Hey everyone, I keep deciding on this one, it's really hard to differentiate Intel Core i3-2120 with AMD Phenom II X4 965 in gaming, video rendering and stuff. But my real concern is, I want to choose AMD over Intel since it's cheaper and i3 only has dual core (unclockable), while the 965 has quad core (clockable). I will be using an aftermarket cooler and overclocking this. Now my concern is there is no AMD motherboard that supports PCie 3.0 x 16, while right now my choice was GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3+ AMD 990FX with PCie 2.0 x 16. Will this affect my overall experience since GTX 670 FTW interface is a PCie 3.0? I will post the specs. so you can see more about it. Note : To those people who recommend me a i5-2500k, please don't I'm here for concern, I like Intel but my budget is only for AMD. To most of you that want to know, I have a Crucial M4 SSD 128 GB included in my build, so it maybe a substitute for the power of i5-2500k.

GPU : EVGA GeForce GTX 670 FTW 2GB - $409.84 (NextWarehouse.com)

CPU : AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition 3.40GHz AM3 Quad-Core OC - $110 (Newegg)

Mobo : GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3+ AMD 990FX AMD Mobo - $99.57 (Amazon)

My cooler would be COOLER Master Hyper 212+ so my CPU might be overclockable to 4.0+ GHz
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7/20/12 at 12:33am
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I had my GTX 680 running on PCI-e 2.0 with an I5 760 and noticed no difference on GPU benches when I upgraded to Ivy Bridge and PCI-e 3.0. So don't worry about running on PCI-e 2.0, from what I've read it only makes a very small difference on mutli-GPU multi-monitor setups.
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7/20/12 at 12:42am
where do you live?
are you close to a microcenter?

additionally, the 2100 would be superior gaming wise, but you may be able to buy a non-K i5 considering your CPU+Board+Cooler budget. (230$)
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7/20/12 at 12:59am
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where do you live?
are you close to a microcenter?
additionally, the 2100 would be superior gaming wise, but you may be able to buy a non-K i5 considering your CPU+Board+Cooler budget. (230$)

The Difference between the two wouldn't be that great in real world situations. Either way if you get a i3 or a PIIX4 remember that you have upgrade options for the future so that is something to keep in mind. On one hand with the 990 FX you will probably top out at Piledriver (unless they continue to use AM3+). Yet with the i3 you usually have the choice to set up to an i5 or i7 if you want more power.

Basically at the end of the day, you have to choose a path you think will suit you more, be it the Intel SB upgrade route, or the AMD Bulldozer/Piledriver upgrade route. If you plan on doing a lot of gaming I would personally go with the intel route. If you plan on doing a lot of heavy work in the future (i.e. Virtualization or other heavily threaded applications) then I would go with the AMD route. Best of luck in finding your system, regardless you really can't go wrong with either! thumb.gif

In regards to your earlier question, I do believe a 965 BE Would easily push a 670, and the 670 wouldn't fully saturate the PCI-E 2.0 lane so you should be fine there.
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7/20/12 at 1:10am
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@ BiG_LiG That's good, what screen resolution are you using? Can a 30" display run well in a GTX 670?

@stealthybox No, I don't live near Micro Center, even if I do MC offers rates even if it's by pickup online. I was on the way with i5-2500k ($170) but when I noticed that they have rates like $20.00 in here I decided that it be best to choose a different way, the second choice I got was a i3-2120, I really want a CPU that can be overclockable and performance wise. Now I've decided to go on an AMD style, at first I saw that FX-8150 is good, but not great for gaming which is my main purpose. It hit me by checking a Phenom II X4 Black Edition, since I saw different reviews in Newegg that it be awesome for gaming and renderings.

@Killer7 Even if I will upgrade it will be in the next 7 years, so I might stick with AMD for now, until I get a decent rig when I have income.
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7/20/12 at 1:19am
afaik there are no important differences between pci-e 2 vs pci-e 3 for the time being because the bandwith of pci-e 2.0 is enough for todays hardware.
i have the same cpu & gpu combo. i very slightly(because of very high ambient temps) oc'd the cpu to 3.6 and NB to 2.4Ghz, and i am very content with its performance smile.gif

edit: i kinda missed the gaming point and focused on pcie more so i wanted to add some of my results here...might help for comparisons etc.
nvidia drivers: 301.42 whql

unigine (my last run with cpu@3.7) 1920x1080 8xAA 16AF all high extreme tesselation:
FPS:
44.2
Scores:
1114
Min FPS:
25.7
Max FPS:
114.0

3D Mark 11
Performance preset ~P7200
Graphics socre ~8900
Physics score ~4600
Combined score ~4600

also @1080p none of the games have been a problem for me even in highest possible settings. but in shogun 2 fall of the samurai zooming in on big battles(3000vs3000 etc), cpu bottlenecks(fps drops to 20s)...but havent tested that over 3.6Ghz so if u can reach 4 it might be slightly different
Edited by sametc1903 - 7/20/12 at 1:35am
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7/20/12 at 1:27am
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@sametc Do you get a playable rate at all games you played, like I listed above. I wanted to know more since we almost have the same combo. It's based on your experience rather than comparing with others.
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7/20/12 at 1:39am
my 965 with sli 275s got extremely playable fps, even in crysis on max settings, and that was at stock, the 965 be is a great cpu that wont let you down, yes intel may produce a little more fps, but once your near the 60 fps range it's just a pissing contest in my eyes. And from what I can tell these days most games seem to be more gpu than cpu limited.
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7/20/12 at 1:41am
well for instance
crysis 2
anno 1404
metro 2033
witcher 2 enhanced edition
shogun 2(for the most part)

let alone playable framerates they are absolutely awesome thumb.gif

edit: also if you have specific games in mind, you can ask me. even if i havent played it i can tell you from my extensive research because i have studied a lot before getting the gtx 670 biggrin.gif
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