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Yeah i heard these sayings even before. But never expected that they would completely drop it against Intel. At least a dedicated 8MB or 10MB L3 Cache processor, i was expecting from them, even if it was implemented on the OLD Phenom line series, i would never mind. Because in some benchmarks Phenom x6 loses against their small brother x4 just due to the lack of L3 Shared Cache/Core.
Now this news feels like, its a dead end for US [AMD User's] & another great chance for them to again overprice their pin-less chips.

So what about these people, who bought the new 990FX series Mobo's ? Just for fun ? O..Come on please don't say that, they bought it for the native SLI-Support from n-vidia.
    
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Lesse how Piledriver turns out. I miss the ol' FX days frown.gif
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Lesse how Piledriver turns out. I miss the ol' FX days frown.gif

No doubt, it will suck too frown.gif
    
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No doubt, it will suck too frown.gif

The 83xxs are supposed to have a 10-15% performance increase over the 81xxs. That would put them at clock for clock performance with the Phenoms (except in memory transfer speeds, BD was awesome memory bandwith-wise).
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I bought a Sabertooth..got mad after feeling how bad BD architecture sucked...sold Sabertooth for a song..
I recently acquired a very nice 1075T..mobo died so I just ordered a CH5 wheee.gif
I don't see why AMD doesn't try to tweak Thuban some..they're pretty nice..I prefer them over SB
I'll be waiting until some benches come out this release..maybe..I'm pretty impulsive redface.gif
I have plans to wait for benchmarks,anyhoo.
Edited by Schmuckley - 7/20/12 at 12:32pm
 
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I bought a Sabertooth..got mad after feeling how bad BD architecture sucked...sold Sabertooth for a song..
I recently acquired a very nice 1075T..mobo died so I just ordered a CH5 wheee.gif
I don't see why AMD doesn't try to tweak Thuban some..they're pretty nice..I prefer them over SB
I'll be waiting until some benches come out this release..maybe..I'm pretty impulsive redface.gif
I have plans to wait for benchmarks,anyhoo.

Careful what you say my man..jagged_steel might assault you with of of his "memory" screenies biggrin.gif
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Amd doesnt have the ammount of money for r&d like intel, the fact that they even compare to intel today is an achievement. If amd can figure out something for their l2 l3 cache speed and also their
Memory controller for higher bandwidth and more ipc, then amd would come back to life again- but until then they just cant compete anymore
they don't have that money because they never bothered with R&D, anyone else remember the days when AMD made superior processors? sometimes in 2005.. they thought they had the lead, and they slacked off..every processor from athlon 64 to phenom 2 was basically a revision of the K8 architecture..they drained the living hell out of one architecture and you wonder why it's become inefficient..
 
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Yeah i heard these sayings even before. But never expected that they would completely drop it against Intel. At least a dedicated 8MB or 10MB L3 Cache processor, i was expecting from them, even if it was implemented on the OLD Phenom line series, i would never mind. Because in some benchmarks Phenom x6 loses against their small brother x4 just due to the lack of L3 Shared Cache/Core.
Now this news feels like, its a dead end for US [AMD User's] & another great chance for them to again overprice their pin-less chips.
So what about these people, who bought the new 990FX series Mobo's ? Just for fun ? O..Come on please don't say that, they bought it for the native SLI-Support from n-vidia.
AMD can add all of the L2 & L3 they want,the core pipelines are too long,which may be compared to Pentium 4. Per core performance is also much worse,which is why all of the FX fanbois who run around saying "FX is better" have their CPU at 5Ghz,with OC'd ram.
The 990FX boards are a little better than the 890 boards,more phases,features,better OC'ing with PHII's,etc.
I almost bought a 990 Sabertooth board myself,although I'm kinda glad I didn't after seeing there is a version 2 of it.
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they don't have that money because they never bothered with R&D, anyone else remember the days when AMD made superior processors? sometimes in 2005.. they thought they had the lead, and they slacked off..every processor from athlon 64 to phenom 2 was basically a revision of the K8 architecture..they drained the living hell out of one architecture and you wonder why it's become inefficient..
At least the arch they milked for years is still better than the Bulldozer architecture. Take a look at Intel,their Core design is still based upon PIII and Pentium Pro,but Intel can do so because they have billions to spend in R&D. AMD invested heavily in Athlon 64,they bought out NexGen and hired some engineers to help design Athlon 64,that is why the architecture has aged so well. You don't think it takes R&D to go from single core to dual core? AMD was also the first to have a true dual core.
If Phenom II being "inefficient" is still faster than a BD processor,I don't understand what you're trying to get at.
If AMD were to stick with Phenom II,say the Thuban cores,and shrink it to 32,enhance it to K10.5 performance,add some cache,and make it capable of 4.6Ghz,AMD wouldn't be in the mess they are in now.
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At least the arch they milked for years is still better than the Bulldozer architecture. Take a look at Intel,their Core design is still based upon PIII and Pentium Pro,but Intel can do so because they have billions to spend in R&D.
If Phenom II being "inefficient" is still faster than a BD processor,I don't understand what you're trying to get at.
If AMD were to stick with Phenom II,say the Thuban cores,and shrink it to 32,enhance it to K10.5 performance,add some cache,and make it capable of 4.6Ghz,AMD wouldn't be in the mess they are in now.

Their quarterly figures exactly show what you're trying to say.
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