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I still can't see anyone buying a BD chip if they already have a Phenom II,unless they can afford to tinker,then by all means go ahead lol.
I got my FX-8120 for $109 and sold my old 1055t for $100. So $9 for a ~20% improvement for my VM, CADD workloads.

Being able to affinity 2 more cores has been great.
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Okay guys. I decided to give it a go with my 2500K. it took about 5 minutes to convert Safe House (1.37GB) at 4.6ghz. I'm gonna give it another go.
Most of us already know your outcome, but don't forget screenshots to ward off trolls.
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Okay guys. I decided to give it a go with my 2500K. it took about 5 minutes to convert Safe House (1.37GB) at 4.6ghz. I'm gonna give it another go.

It's not the file size, it's the length of the movie..

If the movie you're converting is longer then it has more frames to encode and thus is more work to do.

Make sure you can one at 130 mins to make it fair.
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Okay guys. I decided to give it a go with my 2500K. it took about 5 minutes to convert Safe House (1.37GB) at 4.6ghz. I'm gonna give it another go.

It's not the file size, it's the length of the movie..

If the movie you're converting is longer then it has more frames to encode and thus is more work to do.

Make sure you can one at 130 mins to make it fair.

Got it ok. The movie's length says 1:49:43 in windows media player, yet the converter is saying 1 hour 10 minutes length. It took 4 minutes and 42 seconds to convert. I'll upload some pics and find another one that's 1 1/2 hours.
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Most of us already know your outcome, but don't forget screenshots to ward off trolls.

lol sure thing.
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It's not the file size, it's the length of the movie..
If the movie you're converting is longer then it has more frames to encode and thus is more work to do.
Make sure you can one at 130 mins to make it fair.

It's not just length that mater but the compression/encoding as well. To encode to DVD format (MPEG-2 ) the file that is been converted needs to first be decoded and this time will vary depending on the compression level and encoding format of the source. So converting the same film to DVD may take different amounts of time if the source file is for example DivX and H.265.
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Wow, just, WOW, remember how I said poor people end up saving $70.00 on AMD Thuban X6 versus intel 2500k? Well, like you all said, that's only in the case of the slowest thuban 1045t at microcenter for $94.99 (5% off for microcenter's frequent buyer program is pretty awesome, just gave em my phone number and e-mail and they hand me 5% off coupons good for 60 days with every purchase, so if you're getting ready to buy a $500.00 3930k buy a pack of gum, get a 5% off coupon good for 60 days, buy a 3930k, get a $25.00 discount eh? Awesome.

That same 1045t is $129.99 on amazon, ebay, and not sold on newegg.

To me no other thuban black edition or otherwise, nor bulldozer, even makes sense.

Thubans get a 15% boost in actual performance when overclocking northbridge from the excessively low 2.0 GHz to 2.6 GHz or greater

Bulldozer, isn't it already at 2.6 GHz northbridge and requires watercooling to even go above 2.8 GHz northbridge? That's 3-4% performance improvement.

*Google* "Importance of northbridge overclocking"

That actually makes Thubans about 1% faster in minimum fps even in 6-8 threaded games like battlefield 3, according to sweclockers 64 player multiplayer pics/slides as well as googled information on "importance of northbridge overclocking". I'm just following min fps slides from sweclockers and factoring that none of the processors listed are overclocked, getting to almost 5 GHz on bulldozer and 4 GHz on thuban, then adding northbridge overclocking then drawing a conclusion. Few know AMD processors well enough to care about what northbridge overclocking really is all about.

So we think piledriver will offer us about 20% improvement via higher clock & power saving & 15% higher IPC. Piledriver will be about 19% better than Thuban in gaming, unless somehow FPU bottlenecks come to play I really have no idea what kind of FPU is really needed honestly I don't have a clue...Is that worth upgrading from a thuban to a piledriver? Yes, but not on release, most likely 6-12 months after release you can get a piledriver for $150.00 or less, then and maybe then that's still an aweful lot of hassle.

Or sell the whole system and beef up your thuban's northbridge to as close to 3 GHz as you can get and the clockspeed as close to 4 GHz as you can get and sell out and go intel. There was this dude on these forums I was busy googling and saw a post of his from 2010. He says "I will never buy intel because of the evil crap they did". Then I remember googling about all of intel's evil crap they pulled with messing up their compiler to cripple AMD processors in software compiled with intel's compiler, about 5 seconds later I notice under his "rigbuilder signature" he had an intel 2600k system that caught up to his old post because as of at least 2012 he went intel. LOL just LOL.

Anyway just think piledriver = must spend +$30.00 extra on power supply costs and get a 1000 watt psu because you're losing about 300 watts of wasted electricity and $8.00 per month in extra electric costs just to go piledriver. This isn't fake this is reality, so platform costs just went up to go AMD and now you're within $40.00 of a top to bottom intel 2600k system by piledriver's release even though piledriver is looking like it will be within 10% of the 2600k (from my very, very calculated minimum fps calculations in gaming). Does that seem worth it to you? That $40.00 will be lost in 4 months of power bills, and piledriver likely won't be less than $199.99 I can get a 2600k for $239.99 at microcenter (who knows how much where else). And piledriver will only be good in BF3 where I can use my 8 threads. I'm tempted to stop bothering with piledriver's extra 19% and just do Sandy Bridge E not that much more expensive to me to wait long enough to afford the extra couple hundred bucks.
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I got my FX-8120 for $109 and sold my old 1055t for $100. So $9 for a ~20% improvement for my VM, CADD workloads.
Being able to affinity 2 more cores has been great.
For VM and CAD applications,the FX-8 cores are great because they can scale across all 8 threads,also the $109 price would definitely be worth it,unless you can get some exclusive deal,the FX-8120 is $159. In the case of power consumption,you may or may not care,depending if spending $5-10 more a year matters to you with a workstation setup. I wouldn't pass up a $109 FX 8 core,although you end up spending just as much after having to buy a high end air cooler or a water cooling loop,when you could have went with an Intel build.
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Don't forget the extra 300 watts in your power supply $30-$45.00 later. I've seen kill-o-watt readings at the wall 550 watts at load 8120. Is that CPU or whole system? I think Sandy Bridge @ 5 GHz cpu only is like 250 watts (or was that whole system?) I'm too lazy to check, but I think we're at a loss of 240 watts as a general estimate, which with 6 hour battlefield marathons makes for an extremely hot room in the summer and $8.00 extra for the extra watts and $30.00 extra for the extra air conditioning bill.

My room is already frickin hot as hell when I game imagine how hot it would be with a piledriver. I just forgot, NO I AM NOT GOING PILEDRIVER.

That nasty hot room is not worth a drop in upgrade for an extra 19% performance, just thought I would remind people NO ONE EVER MENTIONS the beefy expensive power supply when going bulldozer, I'm not about to start bashing bulldozer I'm just saying I love AMD and want the best for them, but forgive me for sitting idle until they're 5% faster than a comparible Intel Quad, then I'll ignore the extra 300 watts of power usage, for now, I just realized how much it actually matters. People really don't think, save your money, because AMD will cost you on any budget. Let's not forget 2600k and socket 1155 boards will probably drop in price in favor of ivy bridge which few people care for. Most of us are just mad that gaming is not worth the piledriver/bulldozer really but have fun with your awesome 8 core VMWare setups.
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I don't know what they did to Handbrake, but it usually it matches a 2600k, AVX or no AVX.

from how i see it these guys that did that bench couldnt figure how to oc the dozer properly as u can see its clocked at 4.8 while even the 2500k is clocked at 5 ghz and also there is no telln what type of setup was run cpu/nb configuration voltage timings and ram freq aswell as HTL who knows if it was even stable if the dummies managed to crash it during a game lol biggrin.gif

Most don't go in depth, but BD CPU/NB OCing doesn't do nearly as much for performance as it did on Phenom II. I bloody wish more reviewers did though; Phenom II (And BD for that matter) runs a lot better than most of the reviews say when properly OCed.
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I am really excited to see this. I'll probably get a new mobo + an FX 8300, definitely a beefier cooler and overclock it, then let these 6850s breathe a bit. I can only get my 955 BE to 3.6GHz these days. Not heat, just stability. Also NB fluctuates between 2400 and 2600 MHz. So a 95W nice overclocker is something I will love.

EDIT
As usual, BD PD thread has descended into madness. biggrin.gif

Also, why do the 4350 and 6300 have 125W TDPs? I know that they are clocked high but don't less cores mean less heat and less TDP? Wouldn't this be more noticeable in the 4350?
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I got 1.325 Volts @ 4050 MHz on my 1045t on the gigabyte 970-A-UD3 board in that Microcenter AMD promo. 1.3 Volts is stock. I can do 4 GHz on stock voltage and 1.325 @ 4050 MHz so if the motherboard has anything to do it get the 970-A-UD3 same as 990 boards but without SLI?

You have a golden chip in there. My 1055T takes 1.525 V to be stable at 4 GHz and for 4.2 GHz it asks for approx 1.6 V for stability (and roughly similar increases in NB volts as well). Needless to say things get rather hot once you go past ~1.5V with these chips.

Granted, considering how easy it seems other people to get to 4 GHz even on air I probably just have a below average quality chip wink.gif Sort of best it does with semireasonable volts for 24/7 use is ~4.1 GHz under custom loop.
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