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Yeah, I feel like I downgraded from my 1055T with very little overclock to i5 2500k @ 4.5Ghz. I felt like my thuban cpu was much faster while multi-tasking and very little difference while gaming. If most I think I only gained about 5 fps in the games I play. And I almost paid double. I got the 1055T for $110 same week it came out at TD after rebate and I got the i5 for $180+ $15 taxes + $10~ gas to MC.

Apparently a similar snappiness is seen when comparing the i5 to hyperthreaded quad and hex core CPUs from what I hear. Dunno if the FX-8 stands up to Thuban as far as that goes.
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Apparently a similar snappiness is seen when comparing the i5 to hyperthreaded quad and hex core CPUs from what I hear. Dunno if the FX-8 stands up to Thuban as far as that goes.
This is the primary reason why I like my FX-8120 over my 1055t. It's just as snappy and handles multiple workloads quite a bit more gracefully.

For instance when streaming 1080p with x264 I would see about a 30% FPS dip in whatever game I was playing with my 1055t. With my BD the FPS dip is about 5 to 10 frames and I can pretty much add any other workload and not notice much of a difference. If I encode with ffmpeg there is no dip in frames. I have a thread on another site of me running SuperPI 32m, cinebench, encoding 1080p, running two VM's and I was still getting 60fps in BF3. And still there is no visible slowdown in task switching with flip and alt+tab, the change is instantaneous to my eye. (Was also instantaneous on my 1055t).

My 1055T @ 4.0Ghz was undoubtedly better at single instances of single threaded workloads, though.
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Apparently a similar snappiness is seen when comparing the i5 to hyperthreaded quad and hex core CPUs from what I hear. Dunno if the FX-8 stands up to Thuban as far as that goes.
This is the primary reason why I like my FX-8120 over my 1055t. It's just as snappy and handles multiple workloads quite a bit more gracefully.

For instance when streaming 1080p with x264 I would see about a 30% FPS dip in whatever game I was playing with my 1055t. With my BD the FPS dip is about 5 to 10 frames and I can pretty much add any other workload and not notice much of a difference. If I encode with ffmpeg there is no dip in frames. I have a thread on another site of me running SuperPI 32m, cinebench, encoding 1080p, running two VM's and I was still getting 60fps in BF3. And still there is no visible slowdown in task switching with flip and alt+tab, the change is instantaneous to my eye. (Was also instantaneous on my 1055t).

My 1055T @ 4.0Ghz was undoubtedly better at single instances of single threaded workloads, though.

Good to know.
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curious, my 1090T was also very fast to boot and I could open things with no slowdown. my 2500K is a little slower in that response. it seems just plain slower in everything desktop/windows related. thinking.gif

To me....Thuban boots slower..(few seconds) but in desktop/windows stuff is faster.Like..with 2500..You go to open Firefox..6 seconds you're like.."Didn't I click that"? headscratch.gif With Thuban..I can boot and open up infinite browsers instantly..wubsmiley.gif

I wonder how big the L1 cache is on piledrivers..noticed the BD ones were teeny weeny.

Switching from 955BE to fx4100 almost doubled my boot time.I didn't tolerate that for very long.

It's weird, on rigs with SSDs my GFs (8GB 1866Mhz RAM, 120GB Intel 330, 3570k @ 4.4Ghz) boots the slowest, my FX-4170 comes next (FX-4170 @ 4.5Ghz, 16GB @ 1333Mhz due to flaky IMC, also hangs on boot now :/ and Crucial M4 256GB) and weirdly enough, my laptop (ie 370M, 4GB 1333Mhz and Force 3 120GB) boots the fastest by far, the Windows logo on startup doesn't even finish its animation; all are running stock standard W7 Ultimate x64 installs with the BlackViper optimisations done to each.
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You realize that a FX-41XX cost atleast 110$ ?!! Thats my point actually , the i3 compete directly against the FX-41XX not the Celeron... even if the 2120 cant overclock its much better than a overclocked FX-41XX. For the celeron part I was just saying that if you want perfomance/dollars get a Celeron G530 , for 40$ you cant get anything better than that.

You can get them for less than that at Micro Center ($90), SuperBiiz ($100), and probably other places too.

The Core i3 is not simply not better than an overclocked FX-4. An FX-4100 overclocked to 4.8GHz will match the 2120 in single-threaded performance and will obviously do much better when multiple threads are involved. And then in programs that BD handles exceptionally well, like encryption/decryption and compression/decompression, it'll probably perform closer to an i5.

Still won't be able to handle multi-GPU very well because of HT limitations (which is a chipset issue) but honestly if you're buying a ~$100 CPU to use with multiple ~$400 GPUs you're probably out of your mind.

Definitely, if you OC and don't mind the power bill going up to the FX-4100 or FX-4170 is worth it over an i3 or i5.
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Everyone should want AMD to do better, competition is a good thing. Even Intel would benefit from AMD picking up some slack, it would reduce their tooling costs.

Agreed. I will definitely pick up a PD CPU if there's a bit of a gain over Phenom ii and BD. In my eyes any increase is good considering that AMD are on a tiny budget compared to Intel.

On a side note, would PD even save them? Remember that a very large chunk of demand comes from OEM deals, so even if PD is great they will still have to work their butts off to get into some OEMs. That is, if Intel hasn't paid them bucket loads to use Intel chips already.. It's like Intel is sitting on a huge pile of money but are handing it out to companies in order to increase this pile of money whereas AMD are sitting on a much smaller pile of money and defending it with pointy sticks.

PD is mainly for servers and enthusiasts, Trinity is the OEM chip.
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To me....Thuban boots slower..(few seconds) but in desktop/windows stuff is faster.Like..with 2500..You go to open Firefox..6 seconds you're like.."Didn't I click that"? headscratch.gif With Thuban..I can boot and open up infinite browsers instantly..wubsmiley.gif
I wonder how big the L1 cache is on piledrivers..noticed the BD ones were teeny weeny.
Switching from 955BE to fx4100 almost doubled my boot time.I didn't tolerate that for very long.

Yeah, I feel like I downgraded from my 1055T with very little overclock to i5 2500k @ 4.5Ghz. I felt like my thuban cpu was much faster while multi-tasking and very little difference while gaming. If most I think I only gained about 5 fps in the games I play. And I almost paid double. I got the 1055T for $110 same week it came out at TD after rebate and I got the i5 for $180+ $15 taxes + $10~ gas to MC.

That's the funny thing about some chips, even though they're definitely slower, in tasks that really aren't CPU limited they may end up being faster than much newer chips, a local store noticed this about the K6-III versus other CPUs, it was faster than the much faster (in benchmarks) Athlon with a near 1Ghz clock advantage for some tasks.
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Yeah, I feel like I downgraded from my 1055T with very little overclock to i5 2500k @ 4.5Ghz. I felt like my thuban cpu was much faster while multi-tasking and very little difference while gaming. If most I think I only gained about 5 fps in the games I play. And I almost paid double. I got the 1055T for $110 same week it came out at TD after rebate and I got the i5 for $180+ $15 taxes + $10~ gas to MC.


Thats why I got a 2600k .. Because I can multitask AND game very well. I knew the 2500k was for the single monitor single task people.

I think its mainly down to the larger caches, actually...Thubans had more per core (L1 and L2) cache than SB does, or BD, if it was faster for those people in multi-tasking and not in benchmarks then it'd probably down to more being able to fit in the cache, decreasing latency.
    
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That's the thing about the internet; you can find someone claiming they max out all games with any video card made. I've heard 6670, etc.
My HDD 4650 1GB DDR3 model maxes BF2, what you think of that. biggrin.gif
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I'll buy a PD if it has a worthy (+25%) increase in single-thread performance over my Phenom II thumb.gif

Well then you probably won't be buying PD. 25% is too unrealistic to achieve with AMD's small budget. 15% is a more realistic target and still acceptable IMO
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I'll buy a PD if it has a worthy (+25%) increase in single-thread performance over my Phenom II thumb.gif

Then kiss PD goodbye unless you are taking OC into consideration. Its maybe 15% faster then BD in IPC, so depending what clock your Ph II is at, PD will never hit the numbers you're expecting.
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That's a shame, I think I'd have a hard time noticing a 15% boost in "real world" usage.

Although I guess PD platform can also have faster memory and whatnot.
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cloud-gaming optimized CPU design

Could this possibly mean high clocked, high power server chips? Cause to even do that would require a ton of cpu power to make calculations and render the game for everyone playing it.

Cause that's only what I would consider enthusiast browser gaming.

Also recently found this scrap on a piledriver report by x bit.
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Abu Dhabi – server processors for 2P and 4P systems from Opteron 6200 series for G34 socket. These CPUs will potentially have up to 16 cores, quad-channel memory controller and PCI Express 3.0 support. Planned for introduction: H2 2012.

16 cores, quad channel and pci 3. Yeah even if they clock only to 2ghz, that's a ton of power. Esp if they come in dual sockets. With 32 cores I like to think I would be able to do anything a pc can do. Nevermind the fact you have access to 16-32gb of ddr3 1866 in quad channel.
Edited by Maelthras - 8/16/12 at 5:51pm
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