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8/17/12 at 8:46pm
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Originally Posted by S.M. View Post

You can build a complete i3 PC for $300? $220 of that is CPU and OS...
APU laptops are as low as $325, the cheapest Intel powered laptop on newegg with competitive discrete level graphics is a Acer with a 630M priced at $599. Your brand name price difference doesn't make much sense, for instance Lenovo Ideapads with APUs are the same price as Lenovo Ideapads with B960s, to get competitive discrete level graphics for a Lenovo is $700+.
Sure there is such a thing as a great low end PC. Whoever has the smartest and most capable platform in your budget is a great low end PC. Budgets do exist.
AMD removed Phenom II from the market because it is EOL and they cannot afford to manufacture both. Just like Intel stopped producing PIIIs after they released Netburst. I honestly don't get how people are saying AMD is pressuring or forcing anyone to buy any of their chips. You get to choose where you spend your money, AMD doesn't take it from your wallet.


linux is free last i checked.

while your laptop statement is partially true. Those APU PCs are llanos with the 6520G

source here on its benchmarks

I wouldn't call those numbers "discrete graphics level"

And you're right consumers do get to choose where to spend their money. And with CPU (not APU which is different) most people are spending it on the competitor.


The one thing AMD is doing right is the APU front. I have no idea why they don't just focus primarily on APU and abandon CPU altogether. It would free up a lot of budget and engineering time.



EDIT--- I think its being mistaken that I dislike AMD. I'm rooting for them but I think mistakes have been made.
Edited by Darkpriest667 - 8/17/12 at 8:56pm
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8/17/12 at 9:17pm
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linux is free last i checked.
while your laptop statement is partially true. Those APU PCs are llanos with the 6520G
source here on its benchmarks
I wouldn't call those numbers "discrete graphics level"
And you're right consumers do get to choose where to spend their money. And with CPU (not APU which is different) most people are spending it on the competitor.
The one thing AMD is doing right is the APU front. I have no idea why they don't just focus primarily on APU and abandon CPU altogether. It would free up a lot of budget and engineering time.
EDIT--- I think its being mistaken that I dislike AMD. I'm rooting for them but I think mistakes have been made.
While the on die GPU can't play games at max settings,you cannot beat it in laptops being sold for under $400.
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8/17/12 at 9:40pm
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linux is free last i checked.
while your laptop statement is partially true. Those APU PCs are llanos with the 6520G
source here on its benchmarks
I wouldn't call those numbers "discrete graphics level"
Sure they are

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-520M.43104.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-610M.63759.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-6470M.43075.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-7470M.67752.0.html

Linux is also used by less than 1% of the market. Someone wanting a PC with Windows would choose whatever build option allows them to run Windows over one forcing them to use Linux.
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post #274 of 312
8/18/12 at 2:15am
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AMD themselves created the hype, long before JF-AMD came into the picture.

http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-components/graphics-cards/amd-plots-16-core-super-cpu-for-2009-146488
Only the ignorant blame "the community" for creating the hype. This article is from July 2007.

I remember the beginnings of the BD hype so very well. Back in '08 when I started planing for my current rig I was actually worried I was making a mistake by not getting an AMD board that I could later drop a BD into. AMD's marketing and "leaked" info really got to me. I remember especially well all the talk about how BD would "absolutely revolutionize what a single core could do" and how it was going to have "unparalleled throughput" (no pun intended). Really everything they said lead us the consumers to believe that BD would have really good IPC and/or massive clock speeds.

This type of info kept comming for a good couple of years until little before the launch the rumors of not all been well with the BD started to surface. AMD quickly flat out denied that there was any single thread performance issues with the BD and that it was just Intel that was trolling. So when the rumors turned out to be true just about everyone was royally pissed at AMD and rightly so. Anyone saying that BD was over hyped by the community are in short just wrong. That hole was dug by AMD's PR department and no one else.
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8/18/12 at 2:27am
I've learned my lesson with bd and will wait like I have been since bd's flop to see the real numbers pd has to offer. I'm hoping pd will be good enough for me to buy but if not Intel here I come.
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8/18/12 at 4:42am
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I don't really know where you're pulling that info from.....but all the game benchmarks I've seen prove otherwise and none of them make any mention of using SLI/crossfire.

I speak for my case, my computer is

Phenom II x6 4,2 Ghz /NB 3,2 Ghz/ HT 1,95 Ghz
Saberthoot 990 fx
Ram 8GB DDR3 1732 Mhz

Asus GTX 670 DC II top

I compared it with the i5 from a friend and give at practical purposes the same, even sometimes i got better results.

I used to play BF3, ultra 1080p 80+ fps, metro 2033, stalker with complete mod, crysis 2 Dx 11, all above the 60 fps with no problem at all, even Witcher 2 with ubersampling gives about 40 fps

"a new dawn" from Nvidia 25fps ultra 1080p, metro benchmark 1080p ultra, dof, tessellation and advanced physx enabled gives me 42,3 fps, 7.23 in cinebench , and much more examples

Heaven 3.0 1316 points, and 52,3 fps average.




Just to compare the same card with a i7 2600k 4.8 ghz




Not trying to say that my phenom is better than intel i5/i7, just that is good enough, maybe with a intel a 690 would do better, maybe, ¿but how many people have one?.
know that bulldozer has been a fiasco, but we are speaking of performance slightly above a Thuban, with repeat again, an increased margin of OC and less heat, a more powerful processor than a Thuban at 4,6 or 4,8 Ghz its a beast

I'm waiting piledriver, if i got a litle more performance of a Phenom II , but with 8 cores, maybe more, with more room for OC, and less heat be wellcome to my rig.

Sorry for my english.
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8/18/12 at 5:24pm
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I've learned my lesson with bd and will wait like I have been since bd's flop to see the real numbers pd has to offer. I'm hoping pd will be good enough for me to buy but if not Intel here I come.
I think if Vishera doesn't deliver past Phenom II performance in both single and multi-threaded situations. That AMD will lose 90% of its enthusiast market to Intel. Who in their right mind will pay $250 for a processor that can't beat a $219 i5. I know this much im trying to get away from AMD but its hard because of the prices of Intel's products.
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8/18/12 at 6:49pm
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I think if Vishera doesn't deliver past Phenom II performance in both single and multi-threaded situations. That AMD will lose 90% of its enthusiast market to Intel. Who in their right mind will pay $250 for a processor that can't beat a $219 i5. I know this much im trying to get away from AMD but its hard because of the prices of Intel's products.

I'm sure IPC will be on par or higher than Phenom II. Plus, it will definitely clock higher than Phenom II.

Pretty sure PD may have Nehalem IPC levels. Again, with much higher clocks.

4.2 is my max on air, PD will be closer to 4.8 - 5.0 24/7 on air max.
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8/18/12 at 7:45pm
Part of the reason Zambezi clocks so high is it's leakage. At best I think Vishera will clock on par to Zambezi.

Unless Resonant Clock Mesh is the greatest thing since sliced bread, it's pretty naive to assume Vishera will clock higher than Zambezi.
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I think if Vishera doesn't deliver past Phenom II performance in both single and multi-threaded situations. That AMD will lose 90% of its enthusiast market to Intel. Who in their right mind will pay $250 for a processor that can't beat a $219 i5. I know this much im trying to get away from AMD but its hard because of the prices of Intel's products.

Edited by S.M. - 8/18/12 at 8:14pm
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8/18/12 at 7:55pm
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Part of the reason Zambezi clocks so high is it's leakage. At best I think Vishera will clock on par to Zambezi.

Unless Resonant Clock Mesh is the greatest thing since sliced bread, it's pretty naive to assume Vishera will clock higher than Zambezi.

cmon man. Trinity clocks about as high as Zambezi despite having to deal with an IGP.
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  • [Softpedia] AMD’s Vishera Piledriver FX 8320 and FX 8300 8-Core Processors Revealed (Piledriver expected to launch/enter production in Q3 2012)
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