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That's one of the many things I love about my 1090T, easy overclocker and it boots into my desktop it ridiculously fast! I love it! wheee.gif

What is this? I don't even.....

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I honestly can't get excited for AMD anymore. Could care less. If they can't compete, one to one, with their competitors, then I don't care for the company's CPU market anymore.

Intel makes more in one quarter than AMD is worth. How you going to compete with that?
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That wouldn't be the case if intel wouldn't have bribed Pc makers into only using there cpu's. Intel should be forced to pay compensation for being a monopoly, and future business that was ruined. If Amd goes down, it will only be Intel's fault. Amd needs to start playing dirty or Intels gonna smash them.
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That wouldn't be the case if intel wouldn't have bribed Pc makers into only using there cpu's. Intel should be forced to pay compensation for being a monopoly, and future business that was ruined. If Amd goes down, it will only be Intel's fault. Amd needs to start playing dirty or Intels gonna smash them.

Intel already paid AMD for their crimes. Your name...
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I honestly can't get excited for AMD anymore. Could care less. If they can't compete, one to one, with their competitors, then I don't care for the company's CPU market anymore.
Then keep buying Intel CPU's? AMD isn't competing with Intel anymore,while Intel has competing with themselves for years.
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That wouldn't be the case if intel wouldn't have bribed Pc makers into only using there cpu's. Intel should be forced to pay compensation for being a monopoly, and future business that was ruined. If Amd goes down, it will only be Intel's fault. Amd needs to start playing dirty or Intels gonna smash them.
Exactly,although I hate to see them stoop as low as Intel with their underhanded tactics.
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Intel already paid AMD for their crimes. Your name...
Do you know that for a fact? Intel still thinks they're innocent,they just appealed their 1B lawsuit from back in 2009.
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The processors are still at 125watts? Uh-oh, no good. I thought their goal was to push down the power draw. Seems like its not going to happen no?
Piledriver is just a "tick" from Bulldozer,but actual power draw might be slightly less if desktop PD has RCM.
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The processors are still at 125watts? Uh-oh, no good. I thought their goal was to push down the power draw. Seems like its not going to happen no?
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The processors are still at 125watts? Uh-oh, no good. I thought their goal was to push down the power draw. Seems like its not going to happen no?

TDP is only one measure (and not a particularly good measure) of power draw; the major problem with Bulldozer wasn't its base TDP so much as the fact that it starts gobbling down volts when pushed at high overclocks. More volts generally equals more heat, which isn't good for the life of chips, and it acts as a sort of brick wall that prevents enthusiasts from OCing higher.

The BD architecture is technically capable of very high clocks, but it's bottlenecked by the amount of heat it produces, which prevents it from realizing its true potential. The hope is that resonant clock mesh and the other architectural improvements in Piledriver will help to keep the power draw down at higher clocks, thus removing one of BD's major issues.
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That's one of the many things I love about my 1090T, easy overclocker and it boots into my desktop it ridiculously fast! I love it! wheee.gif

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I honestly can't get excited for AMD anymore. Could care less. If they can't compete, one to one, with their competitors, then I don't care for the company's CPU market anymore.

Intel makes more in one quarter than AMD is worth. How you going to compete with that?

No different then how they used to compete with them. Remember their 939 chips?
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I honestly can't get excited for AMD anymore. Could care less. If they can't compete, one to one, with their competitors, then I don't care for the company's CPU market anymore.
Then keep buying Intel CPU's? AMD isn't competing with Intel anymore,while Intel has competing with themselves for years.

Oh come on now, AMD is still competing with Intel. No, not the high end range, but in the lower end and mobile sectors. Given price per performance, Intel is still the better option. Sub 600 dollar notebooks still favors Intel, given the dedicated GPUs and how vendors like to not take advantage of llano's memory bottlenecks. The i3 competes with the FX-8XXX series in gaming performance for goodness sakes.
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The processors are still at 125watts? Uh-oh, no good. I thought their goal was to push down the power draw. Seems like its not going to happen no?

The BD architecture is technically capable of very high clocks, but it's bottlenecked by the amount of heat it produces, which prevents it from realizing its true potential. The hope is that resonant clock mesh and the other architectural improvements in Piledriver will help to keep the power draw down at higher clocks, thus removing one of BD's major issues.

If I recall correctly, don't highly clocked Bulldozer chips produce a ridiculous amount of power? Somewhere upwards towards 400+ watts in some cases?
Edited by Domino - 7/22/12 at 1:58pm
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No different then how they used to compete with them. Remember their 939 chips?
Oh come on now, AMD is still competing with Intel. No, not the high end range, but in the lower end and mobile sectors. Given price per performance, Intel is still the better option. Sub 600 dollar notebooks still favors Intel, given the dedicated GPUs and how vendors like to not take advantage of llano's memory bottlenecks. The i3 competes with the FX-8XXX series in gaming performance for goodness sakes.
If I recall correctly, don't highly clocked Bulldozer chips produce a ridiculous amount of power? Somewhere upwards towards 400+ watts in some cases?
But back then,Intel bribed companies to use their product,which has hurt AMD's overall profit ever since,which of course hurts their R&D budget as well.
You just pretty much said they aren't,price/performance Intel wins,that would make AMD as an option moot in every area.
OEM's borked the Llano's by cheaping out with slow ram,making the APU worse than they really are,so AMD doesn't compete there either.
A cheap $120 Core i3 beats out a $180 FX-8150 in everything but multi-threaded tasks,most people don't run multi-threaded apps,so AMD loses again there. AMD can't compete with Intel,and even stated they are on longer competing with anyone but themselves.
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No different then how they used to compete with them. Remember their 939 chips?
Times have changed. Even back during the Ath64 days, AMD never managed to pull a majority of market share away from Intel. Goes back to that whole rebate/relationship that Intel had with OEMs boondoggle. That means that AMD never extracted as much R&D money from chip profit that they could have, which was one of the factors that hurt them going forward when they produced K10, Bulldozer, and so forth.

Ath64 itself was kind of a fluke. Fluke isn't quite the right word, because it implies that AMD just got lucky. More like a perfect storm of factors:
  • K8 itself was a well-implemented arch. AMD's kind of like the gearhead/tinkerer kid who's got a non-traditional, self-educated intuitive form of intelligence and likes to fool around with machinery and bounce radically new, seemingly-cool ideas off of the walls. Sometimes these ideas come back wonderfully (K8, GCN), sometimes they're pretty bad (first-gen K10, Bulldozer).
  • Intel was getting complacent with their own designs and was initially caught totally off-guard. Intel's far from complacent these days, unless you want to consider the issues with Ivy as evidence of such. I personally don't think that it is, at least if Haswell's new iGPU is as good as Big Blue says it is.

AMD played a long game with K8, hoping that IMC and dual-core stuff would pay off. They were right, and they (and the consumer) benefited massively from it.

They also took a gamble with Bulldozer back when they started designing it in the mid-aughts, hoping that by the time it was released, more devs would have started writing multicore programs and things like floating point wouldn't be as important. They were wrong, and it was too late into the design cycle to pull out and start fresh, so first-gen FX came back to bite them.

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If I recall correctly, don't highly clocked Bulldozer chips produce a ridiculous amount of power? Somewhere upwards towards 400+ watts in some cases?

At really, really high clocks, clocks that you'd probably need a water or LN2 setup to reach. Bulldozer's brick wall is around 4.5 Ghz; it caps out at ~300W at that level; going to 4.6 requires around 350, at least if Toms is to be trusted.
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A cheap $120 Core i3 beats out a $180 FX-8150 in everything but multi-threaded tasks,most people don't run multi-threaded apps,so AMD loses again there. AMD can't compete with Intel,and even stated they are on longer competing with anyone but themselves.

No. That's just blatantly wrong. You're trying to tell me a $150 4.5-5ghz capable fx 8120 can't beat a $125 3.3ghz i3 2120?
 
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