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So, my GF's laptop was fried by a power surge the other day. It is not under warranty of any sort. She is a full time college student and is not employed, and thus is in no position to buy a replacement.

Her parents will likely pay for a replacement (she does after all need it for school, especially in her line of study (digital art created in photoshop, illustrator...), but only up to a very low cost. Her laptop from two years ago laptop was a mere $250 and consisted of a 2ghz core 2 duo, intel HD (original) graphics, 2GB ddr2, 250GB hard drive.

The good news is she does not need it to be a laptop, and she would like to learn to build her own computers, so lets kill to birds with one stone and find her some parts for a good ultra-budget desktop!

So far, this is what I've put together. I haven't used AMD in over 10 years so if I screwed something up, or if there are just better deals, let me know!


She will be using this for school (word processing, powerpoints, photoshop, illustrator, flash, light programming, perhaps some dreamweaver or corell painter) and gaming.

She does not need a mouse or sound equipment as she already has a X-Fi HD USB, good headphones, and a deathadder mouse.

She does not need a monitor as she can hook it up to her small 720p TV, although a more practical monitor would be nice if affordable.

I would prefer to put windows 7 Pro 64 bit on it, but if absolutely necessary, it can run linux or one of my extra copies of xp for now until she can save up to buy windows 7 herself.


Total price should be roughly 400 USD or less. If you're up for some extra work, $600 or less alternatives would also be appreciated. Thanks!
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You can save cash by switching to a smaller mATX build.

Like the GIGABYTE GA-A55M-DS2 motherboard ($55). Maybe the Fractal Core 1000 case (~$35). And you can swap the CPU for the A6-3670 to save another ~$20.

You also don't need DDR3-1600, so you can jump down to DDR3-1333 to save even more money. Hell, DDR3-1066 would work for a cheap build.

Does she really need an optical drive?
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Go to ebay! You could get all that for half the price. If you are really broke then ebay is a no brainer. I got a dual core for free a week ago from ebay, although it would have only costed $12
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That doesnt look too bad. What about a cooler though ? I assume you'll be overclocking that APU seeing as you picked the K chip with an unlocked multi. I'm not too sure about that board. I'd spend the extra $20 and grab a gigabyte/asrock/asus board. ECS's support is terrible as is their BIOS support. Good choice on the ram, these llanos really benefit from speedy ram. I'd recommend the NZXT source case, only a few dollars more and is a fantastic case for the money. The build looks solid overall. Factor in about another $50 or so for the upgraded case and motherboard, and I'd suggest a clc, H60 or Antec 620 being that you'll be working with a smaller case. If you want to take it to 600, go ahead and throw in that 6570 amd gpu for some hybrid crossfire. (I think the 6570 is the best gpu you can combine with that cpu, anyway) That would cost you about another $80 or so iirc. Doing that however, I'd go ahead and move up to a 500w psu. Stick with the corsair builder series as you have listed there, that would be plenty. Pick up a few solid case fans and you should be good to go with a very solid rig.
  
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I hear the APU runs better with faster memory, 1600 as a minimum for gaming at all.

Looks like a good build, i'd go with a A6 also as its a quad core also and will be enough for what she's using.
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You can save cash by switching to a smaller mATX build.
Like the GIGABYTE GA-A55M-DS2 motherboard ($55). Maybe the Fractal Core 1000 case (~$35). And you can swap the CPU for the A6-3670 to save another ~$20.
You also don't need DDR3-1600, so you can jump down to DDR3-1333 to save even more money. Hell, DDR3-1066 would work for a cheap build.
Does she really need an optical drive?

1333mhz ram would really hinder that APU. I definitely suggest that sammy ram or a set of 1866mhz ripjaws.

Take a look at this. This build would stomp a llano rig in just about every way. I even managed to squeeze in an ssd. This would make a very respectable rig.


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Come on ebay ftw!
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You can save cash by switching to a smaller mATX build.
Like the GIGABYTE GA-A55M-DS2 motherboard ($55). Maybe the Fractal Core 1000 case (~$35). And you can swap the CPU for the A6-3670 to save another ~$20.
You also don't need DDR3-1600, so you can jump down to DDR3-1333 to save even more money. Hell, DDR3-1066 would work for a cheap build.
Does she really need an optical drive?

1333mhz ram would really hinder that APU. I definitely suggest that sammy ram or a set of 1866mhz ripjaws.

Take a look at this. This build would stomp a llano rig in just about every way. I even managed to squeeze in an ssd. This would make a very respectable rig.


Dude, we're talking about a budget build for a glorified office computer. Based on her described needs, all she really needs is a large quantity of RAM. She doesn't need a powerful GPU, or even a powerful IGP.

You are grossly overstating the necessary specs on this one.
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1333mhz ram would really hinder that APU. I definitely suggest that sammy ram or a set of 1866mhz ripjaws.
Take a look at this. This build would stomp a llano rig in just about every way. I even managed to squeeze in an ssd. This would make a very respectable rig. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


For the intended purpose of this build the extra 2 cores on the Llano would be appreciated. Granted your build would be better at GAMING and single threaded apps, and that is ALL. That does not constitute "stomp about every way". You also increased the budget by 50%, which is not what was requested.


You need to keep to the intended use of the build and not be a fanboi
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To try to address all the replies in no particular order (sorry if I miss something). Will signify major ideas by switching colors:

The one similarity between all responses so far have been that nothing has been said about intel. I don't want you guys to think I'm locked into AMD, I just feel it's cheaper to do an APU build than to get similar performance out of an intel build (since intel graphics are pretty much totally useless). Correct me if I'm wrong wink.gif

She needs the rig for cheap ASAP. It can be upgraded later for all the non-essentials (for instance, a better cooler for overclocking). It is for this reason that I have some slightly-more-than-needed hardware (such as an unlocked processor) and also lack some of the things you would assume to go with said hardware (like a better cooler).

I'd rather put in an extra $10 here than $100 6 months later to replace a part with no future potential. (Remember, shes unemployed and her parents aren't going to be helping with anything that isn't absolutely essential, so saving money in the long run is very important as long as it isn't over her budget cap).


Shes gonna be sticking with the internal graphics on the CPU for now. She also works with very large files in photoshop with many layers and a long history. From what I've heard about these AMD APUs, memory speed and timing is pretty essential to performance in games. From personal experience, memory speed and size is essential to large photoshop files.

Feel free to show me a cheaper alternative for RAM, but it needs to satisfy the above points (unless I'm wrong about the whole APU thing).

Hybrid Xfire with the 6570 sounds good as a future upgrade. I knew something like that was possible, but I know nothing of the details. Is it compatible with all motherboards? what kind of speed increase can I expect? Any downsides?

I'm not really interested in spending more on the case. I know this one is pretty junky, but it has the essentials and that's really all she needs. Big enough to house low to mid range parts, has some openings for fans (I counted at least 4 80mm... I don't really need more for a low-mid range rig do I? Heck, until I overclock, I could get away with just the stock cooling no?).

Unless the case is cheaper, or the same price but better, I'ma stick with this one thanks.

I'm willing to get a cheaper PSU but it MUST be reliable. I'm also wary of dropping the wattage much as that would pretty much forbid upgrades without a costly PSU replacement. Keep in mind the cost of a PSU replacement in order to allow upgraded cooling and a GPU when/if suggesting cheaper PSUs.

Yes, she needs an optical drive. This will also be her DVD player.

I've never used ECS motherboards before, so I don't really know what to expect with them, but this one has decent ratings and decent specs on paper for a fairly low cost. the suggested GIGABYTE GA-A55M-DS2 is lacking USB and HDMI, both of which are somewhat important to her (her TV which will be her monitor unless she is able to pick up a real monitor only has HDMI input, and she has some very fast and large USB 3.0 flash drives which she runs her photoshop/illustrator/other school files off of. Her school does not allow saving or working off of the school hard drives when in class, and she obviously will not be bringing a desktop into class).

If anyone can suggest a MOBO from a "better" company without it either having a garbage reputation (like some of the ASrock and MSI boards in the price range) or being more expensive, I'll consider it. Bonus for USB 3 and HDMI as stated above.



Alright, I think that's it. Thanks everyone! Let me know what you think of the responses.

EDIT to address last few ninja-posts:

Thraks - she will be gaming on this. It's not a priority, but it's gonna happen. I'm not going to buy a GPU for it but I'm more than willing to drop another 20 bucks on faster ram and a better IGP, even If I'm paying that out of pocket just so she wont whine about how her steam library is totally useless wink.gif

Whoever keeps saying ebay - no. Even If I wanted to, her parent's will not purchase anything from ebay. I don't make the rules here, sorry.

To the ~$600 build, THANKS! I did ask for a $600 or less alternative, and that is a decent one. I'll agree with Thraks Cravin that it would be worse for non-gaming tasks, but it would be a LOT better for gaming. It would still be enough for her school needs, if perhaps a bit weak in the multi-thread department. It's certainly not a useless suggestion even If I don't use it.

Edited by Zero4549 - 7/22/12 at 1:38am
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