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Psyside was kind enough to suggest me stuff in another thread, and for this I'm thankful, but it was off topic, so I better make this one here.

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Yes for cheap mobos UD3H - best. For mid end mobos, Maximus V Gene or Maximus V Formula, you said something cheap now your looking at 300$ range i dont get it biggrin.gif if you can afford the best balance from the mid end segment atm is Maximus V Formula, and for a bit cheaper Maximus V Gene but its MATX, UD5H is also quite good, but can't compare to Gene or Formula. Maximus IV Extreme is amazing, but its more for 2600/2700K i would not get it if i would buy Ivy Bridge CPU, for that i strongly suggest Z77 based mobo.
H100 is like 10000 times louder then D14 if both on max rpm, but it has fan speed settings so it should be good, if you want your components to be able to being seen , get H100 (case with window that is) otherwise D14, even if it does cover almost the whole mobo :tongue.gif
H100 offer better temps then D14 for like 2-3c as max, and this is on extreme settings, (with both coolers with fans on max) like 4.8GHZ + with medium to high overclocks, they are very close.
P.S. Its getting way offtopic bro, if you want open your thread, and pm with link, i will help you no problem, this is GTX680 Lightning thread redface.gif
Thanks lets hope biggrin.gif

I decided to make some sort of a major upgrade, as long as I can, probably wont be able to later this year and the next. The motherboards I suggested cost around or slightly more than 200 Euro for me, so that's the mark. I'd be ready to give 100 for a really good CPU cooler, so take this also as a mark (think Dollar of it, if it's your currency) and feel free to suggest me some more, unless you think the D14 is really all I need. biggrin.gif

So an Z77 Asus is the better choice then. What about the Sabertooth Asus 90-MIBI30-G0EAY0KZ?
Maximus V Formula is pushing it a bit to far already (300 frown.gif), so it's either the "Asus Crosshair V Formula", or that "Asus Sabertooth thing" I mentioned above.
I have the feeling the Sabertooth is more for looks (open case) with this plastic cover. It seems to offer only 2 way SLI/Crossfire while the Crosshair V Formula seems to allow 3 way SLI/Crossfire (or am I seeing it wrong?). I doubt I'd need 3 SLI though, I can imagine 2 being the max in the future, so not that important for me.
Just tell me what's the best from the two I suggest above. I'll give the Maximus V Formula another thought, but I have to stop at some point. frown.gif

No open case for me, so looks and all this aren't important. I'd prefer a cooler that is as silent and as effective as possible for about 100 Euro/Dollar. That's the cut basically. If D14 is it really it, than I'm glad (as it costs less than 100 for me biggrin.gif).
I thought watercooling was the more silent option. I hear people review H100 is silent, but I guess in relation with other watercoolers. If air cooling is more silent, than I think I go for it.
Btw, on Amazon I see various Noctua's, NH-DH14, NH-D14, NH-D14 SE2011 and NH-C14. The NH-D14 SE2011 is described as a special edition for the i7-39xx/38xx series, though I decided on the 37xx series, still applicable, or better the normal NH-D14?


As for overclocking. No idea how to do that lol, but once I have the stuff I'll seriously look into that.




So the state of things is like this:

Things I keep from my current build
- Cooler Master CM690 II Advanced (case)
- G.Skill 1600-999 Sniper LV 2x4GB (RAM)
- Seasonic M12II-850W (PSU)
- Drives and stuff

Things to upgrade to (decided)
- Intel Core i7-3770K (CPU)
- MSI NVIDIA GTX 680 Lightning (GPU)

Things I still think about
- Asus 90-MIBI30-G0EAY0KZ or Asus Crosshair V Formula or Asus Maximus V Formula (motherboards)
- Noctua NH-D14 or something better (cooler) - guess I rule out watercooling yet
- perhaps some other, less expensive GPU's that come close to the GTX 680 Lightning...
post #2 of 22
Look dude, i guess your not really into hardware so ill start slow biggrin.gif

1. In order to use i7 3770K processor, you need Z77 based motherboard, other motherboards which work with this CPU are Z68/P67 based ones, but its not really good to go that route best is to stick with Z77 chipset and 3750/3770K processors.

2. Cross hair V Formula is AMD based motherboard, we are talking about Intel build, so just forget it, you cant use Intel processor on that mobo. AMD offer inferior CPU's at the moment and they ain't worth the hassle generally.

3. IMHO if you dont mind Matx motherboards (which are smaller then usual motherboards) i strongly suggest to get Maximus V Gene, is the best motherboard for the price without a single doubt, you can SLI/Crossfire on it as well, just you will need to use 2 slot video cards, not 3.

4. Just get the regular NH D14, it has the most mounts for all of the sockets,(excluding the LGA 2011) which Noctua will ship to you free of charge if you need it in future, no problems. Its ultra quiet and very high quality build, also very easy to install, and has amazing backplate in order to avoid damaging on the mobo because of the cooler weight. There is no difference other then the mouting kit from SE2011 and the regular D14, which you don't need. If they are same price, go for SE2011 edition.

5. Other parts from your build are good enough and will serve you well.

6. Lightning is the best GTX680 atm, closely followed by GTX680 Direct CUII/TOP which is amazingly quiet, regarding other parts (build quality) they are pretty close and similar.
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Look dude, i guess your not really into hardware so ill start slow biggrin.gif
1. In order to use i7 3770K processor, you need Z77 based motherboard

I didn't pay attention that Crosshair V Formula is ADM (they even cleary state that). And yeah, I see that IV is for Z6x. So it must be V and Z77 for me. My bad, sorry. doh.gif

So, Maximus V Formula is a bit to expensive (I'm still thinking about it).

Maximus V Gene is great, but the MATX is a problem. I have a WLAN card and would like to add a really good sound card later. Sure it'll work, but if I should decide to have SLI, than no more. Excellent for mid towers, but not very future proof for me I guess.

I mentioned the Asus 90-MIBI30-G0EAY0KZ (if I'm right also known as Asus Sabertooth Z77)? It's ATX and Z77.
However, the mini pci-e's look odd, the placement is great, but they are shorter than mini pci-e usuaslly are. thinking.gif
If you have no knowledge about that motherboard, than nevermind me. wink.gif

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4. Just get the regular NH D14, it has the most mounts for all of the sockets,(excluding the LGA 2011) which Noctua will ship to you free of charge if you need it in future, no problems. Its ultra quiet and very high quality build, also very easy to install, and has amazing backplate in order to avoid damaging on the mobo because of the cooler weight. There is no difference other then the mouting kit from SE2011 and the regular D14, which you don't need. If they are same price, go for SE2011 edition.

Same price for the SE2011 and in stock at Amazon (the regular not in stock). Guess it's decided. Yay, less than 100. biggrin.gif


By the way, the fan of the PSU, is it better to have it facing into the PC (like this), or out toward the bottom (my case's bottom is a grid and I have it like this)?

Also, what fan you'd suggest? Remember should be very silent. biggrin.gif
Edited by resis - 7/22/12 at 5:01pm
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1. If MATX is not for you, then i would suggest Asus Z77 PRO, or UD5H, the Pro is better generally, Sabertooth are also great mobos, but kinda not for gamers/overclockers, not any particular reason for it

2. It doesen't matter, but i guess faced down should be better option.

3. I don't understand what is the question about fan, what kind of fan?

4. Great, D14 is amazing cooler, i have it and its absolutely the best cooler i ever owned.
Edited by psyside - 7/22/12 at 6:44pm
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1. If MATX is not for you, then i would suggest Asus Z77 PRO, or UD5H, the Pro is better generally, Sabertooth are also great mobos, but kinda not for gamers/overclockers, not any particular reason for it

Now I'm moving forward, but here's the deal:
The P8Z77-V PRO has WiFi Go and if that shouldn't work, than it still has the PCI slots that I need for my Cisco WLAN card (the ones that are slightly shorter than the long ones), which all the other mainboards in question do not have. Though I'm in a bad spot and really need coverage (my Cisco WLAN card has two antennas, one of them has a long cable and is huge), because I can not establish a wire and the modem is below me and I put new laminate floor with quality insulation which works a bit too good on my WLAN connection. mad.gif
Also, I wonder, why it has on board DVI/VGA ports? I guess uselful if your GPU dies and you must consult ocn.net immediately. biggrin.gif I'd wish there were USB ports instead though, I kinda need many, but i guess I could use the USB3 ports for normal (USB2) devices?

The Asus P8Z77-V Deluxe on the other hand has WiFi Go with two antennas (coverage!), but this board on the other hand has not the PCI slot I need for my Cisco, so in case that WiFi Go fails I won't have a backup option. Also the stock antennas look rather tiny and my huge antenna will probably not fit the WiFi adapter, hmm. Though, the Deluxe has more USB ports instead the useless DVI/VGA, but it costs 40 Money more. Hmm......

In any case, your sugestions really help. If I'd have just taken one of the others, I'd probably be in a bit of a trouble afterwards, but now I'm a bit smarter... or a bit more educated at least.

The Maximus V boards are obviously aiming for gamers, while the P8Z77 seems to cater to the business/home environment (or such). Is the latter still good for gaming, or no match for the Maximus V series?


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3. I don't understand what is the question about fan, what kind of fan?

I mean this stuff, but nevermind, silly question. I just pick any if I need.


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4. Great, D14 is amazing cooler, i have it and its absolutely the best cooler i ever owned.

What is the correct way to install the D14, this way or that way?
Edited by resis - 7/22/12 at 10:14pm
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that way is correct,i think.
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1.Ahh that fans, if im not wrong on the CM 690 there is 2x 140/120 mm optional fan cutouts right? if thats' the case 2 of this, they are amazing fans for the price, and move tons of air, i use one of this as a exaust on my HAF 932, when you put your hand behind it, you fell tons of air moving biggrin.gif and they are very quiet!

2. That way.

3. As far as i know, the VGA output is in order to use the onboard card/Virtu MVP but i could be wrong, thats the only part i never really looked into on new series of boards.

4.The Deluxe is great board as well, whatever you pick you wont be sorry, pick what suites you best in order to meet your preference and need thumb.gif

5. yes they are still good for gaming but you lose some overclocking features, and better onboard sound on the Gene V/Formula.
Edited by psyside - 7/23/12 at 9:48am
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that way.
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That way.

Thanks. biggrin.gif


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1.Ahh that fans, if im not wrong on the CM 690 there is 2x 140/120 mm optional fan cutouts right? if thats' the case 2 of this, they are amazing fans for the price, and move tons of air, i use one of this as a exaust on my HAF 932, when you put your hand behind it, you fell tons of air moving biggrin.gif and they are very quiet!

That's a sneaky one. It says 135mm size, but can only be connected to a 120mm layout. I'll look up manual to see what I need.


I gathered some more information. The V Formula has excellent on board sound and is shipped with dual band Wi-Fi. To use my PCI Linksys I'd need to go for the Asus P8Z77-V Pro (it has oldschool PCI), but I planned to buy a good sound card anyway, which won't be super cheap (at least not the one I would like to buy rolleyes.gif). Or if I go for another card I'd need to buy a new Wi-Fi and soundcard. So instead I could buy the formula right away with dual band Wi-Fi and excellent on board sound (I'm not a sound enthusiast, so I don't really need a perfect PCIe sound card).
Heavy on my wallet that is, but probably the better long term solution.

hmm... thinking.gif



Ok, another vendor has the stuff slightly cheaper (I bought all my current hardware there, except for the case).

Existing components
- Cooler Master CM690 II Advanced (case)
- G.Skill 1600-999 Sniper LV 2x4GB (RAM)
- Seasonic M12II-850W (PSU)
- Dell U2711 (monitor)
- Ducky Shine Red Edition (keyboard)
- Zowie AM & Razer Diamondback Red Edition (mice)
- Drives & stuff

Components to order
- MSI NVIDIA GTX 680 Lightning (GPU)
- Intel Core i7-3770K (CPU)
- Asus Maximus V Formula (MB)
- Noctua NH-DH14 (CPU Cooler)

Order makes around 1200 Euro (minus additional fans). I never asked for this *Adam Jensen voice*, not sure if I should thank you psyside. tongue.gif
Edited by resis - 7/23/12 at 3:46pm
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Uh correction, its This way, not that way! sorry i was thinking of this way, but typed that way redface.gif

Well about the mobos, now we are entering into segment personal preference, and needs, and i cant help you about that.

Either way keep us informed on what you get, and if you need help with overclock (especially with Asus mobos) dont be shy to pm me or open new thread which you would link me thumb.gif

If someone would wake me up @ 4am and ask about Asus UEFI settings, i would answer him in a seconds biggrin.gif
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Uh correction, its This way, not that way! sorry i was thinking of this way, but typed that way redface.gif

I knew something was fishy. cigar.gif Thanks.


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Either way keep us informed on what you get, and if you need help with overclock (especially with Asus mobos) dont be shy to pm me or open new thread which you would link me thumb.gif
If someone would wake me up @ 4am and ask about Asus UEFI settings, i would answer him in a seconds biggrin.gif

Hehe, I will make sure to PM you at 4am. thumb.gif



Two questions, out of sheer curiousity:

1) What do you think about the "GIGABYTE G1.Sniper 3", provided you know about its features?

2) Now we know that Maximus V Formula is better than P8Z77-V Pro. Are there any features that are better about the P8 compared to V Formula?
Switching to lower CPU wattage (when not gaming) is probably one. Wonder if V Formula has these features (to control energy consumption and save mother nature)?
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