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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

This comment is funny to me, as most up and coming game demos that are shown for press are ran on PC's, at least at E3, not their actual console.


I am glad someone got the joke. It clearly is a joke as ALL games are developed on computers. Consoles are computers. Just cheap crappy ones you cant upgrade with closed operating systems.
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Ubisoft management, DLCs and always on DRM are what's hurting creativity...
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Originally Posted by Darkpriest667 View Post

I am glad someone got the joke. It clearly is a joke as ALL games are developed on computers. Consoles are computers. Just cheap crappy ones you cant upgrade with closed operating systems.

No kidding...

You used to be able to buy a higher capacity HDD and install the XBox 360 OS onto it, or even a SSD, the cost of the 250GB Microsoft HDD was what it would cost to just buy a 1TB HDD on your own. Microsoft caught onto this a little while back and changed to a proprietary file system structure, to prevent this.
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Presence of DRM hurting legit customers.
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i dont get what he want:isnt xbox remote differential compliant ?this alone is huge!isnt xbox donnybrooks compliant?this alone also permit huge battle size!the issue isnt the gear but the game dev not asking ms how to maximize for their intention .xbox is powerfull enough for huge battle in 1080i,why not 1080p?why bother it is just a title it rarelly looks better unless you use 40 inch plus screen!most gamer are a 1920x1080 23 or 24 inch(dpending if they use hdtv or computer screen!the only reason ubysoft want new gear is because they ll probably have anti ack imbeded either in the gpu cpu or both.not because the actual gear is maxed
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I would think that a lack of graphical power might actually be reason enough to try and innovate in other areas of a game since you can't just pretty it up and move on. I think what's actually hurting innovation is the fact that every publisher and dev expects a monumental success out of every game. They don't wan't to take a risk and create something innovative that may not be as big of a success as a rehash of a successful game. Instead they would rather use the majority of their resources on marketing and release a new installment every year or so.

Sure, we have games that have content. It's called MUD, hundreds of people still play them... Or go even farther back, start to rally your own troops and play a bit of table top. It's fun isn't it, playing in a magical world where you have everything at your tips yet NO GRAPHICAL INTERFACE TO PLEASE THE EYES. Ahh yes, the reason why movies love CG, games love polygons, because we are a species with sight. Unfortunately those trends got old long ago, might it be we want that AND graphical quality? I for one am sick of the idea that one would settle for Q3 graphics just so you can get a more in depth world. We have MMO crap for that, which isn't on consoles because they lack the ability to expand by developers choice. So your stuck with developers who wish to release story based games, finite endings as well as world interaction. Unfortunately this requires a bit more creative to spice up, one of the big areas that are obvious is graphics.

Now we could talk about games like skyrim, where the graphical quality differs from the PC. You could make more games like that, nice full range RPG type games. Unfortunately even those games are reaching severe limits on the console. Look at Fallout3, in all honestly it isn't that graphically advanced. Not compared to anything on the PC, I actually hate playing it on the PC because the lack of visuals. I might as well play it on a console, unless I bother to download the mass amount of texture packs and such. Even with that, it looks like crap when you compare it to Skyrim on the PC, or even worse GTA IV with the ICEnhancer.

So now what do we do? Keep making the same crap that is obviously taxing the hardware? No, we want to make new crap. We want to make pretty crap, because that's exactly what the next gen is going to deliver. Prettier crap. There won't be major advancements in gameplay, not until somebody decides to build a complex enough game to remotely mirror life. Until that's one your going to see the same finite stories, the same sandboxed fps shooters. Basically, the same crap. The difference? At least with better graphics, nicer audio, we actually might feel more emerged in the games. Then maybe we'll get a new form of enjoyment from playing them. Honestly, what DO you expect? You think something like STALKER would work well on a console? Maybe if it looked like crap, I could see it. Next gens might get there, then we'll see more roaming FPS games. While on the other hand, the next gen PCs are going to be beastly beyond belief. It's always been this way, always will. I just wish they would keep to a regular cycle so we don't see 5 years of PC hashed BS because the devs focus on a console with hardware that runs like crap.
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super ironic coming from ubisoft. probably my most-hated pub
    
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So much irony everywhere!

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Ubi is completely wrong about needing a new generation to increase creativity. If anything, devs being comfortable with the hardware is what is needed to take risks on creative games. When the next generation arrives there will be another 2-3 years of developers learning the new system, and pushing graphics above basically all else.

Besides: Ubisoft doesn't really want creativity. Creativity means risk. Ubisoft just wants to be able to pretty up their games and add one or two new mechanics, as they have done for years, and as basically all large companies do. There are plenty of creative ideas coming from the indy devs, who are thriving on current systems.
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It's not about the hardware at all.  I want to see the next gen of consoles sooner rather than later too, but new hardware isn't always going to mean more creative games.  Some of the most original games out there that I have played this generation have been smaller indie titles that could have even been done on previous gen hardware.  Some AAA titles innovate too, but the more a game costs to make the less likely the publisher is going to want to take a risk on it.  I see the trend continuing even more in the future.  If costs keep rising, creativity will suffer for it.  For proof, just look at Hollywood.

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