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Poll Results: Which Motherboard(s) Do You Own?

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 63% of voters (65)
    GA-Z77X-UP5 TH
  • 31% of voters (32)
    GA-Z77X-UP4 TH
  • 4% of voters (5)
    GA-Z77MX-D3H TH
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post #221 of 817
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yea the UP4 actually wouldn't be as good as the UD5H in terms of I/O, the UD5H has better audio and more OC features as well.

The Up4 is really a cheaper board for thunderbolt support, doing a review now.
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Is a UD5H vs UP4 really an apples to apples comparison? Shouldn't the UD5H be compared to a UP5?
    
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Hi everyone,

First off, I'm honestly not sure if this is the right thread, but I figured it's tagged "discussion" in the title, and should be the best place to find gigabyte motherboard owners that might have an answer to my question. I sincerely apologize if this is the wrong thread, please either move the post, or just delete it and let me know where I should post instead.

Anyway, I'm currently planning my first new build in roughly a decade (since before college when I became an apple user for a while) and I have a question for anyone that might possibly be using the GA-Z77X-UP4/5 motherboards with a Xeon E3 v2 series processor.

I'm not particularly fond of overclocking (yeah, I know, wrong site to say that) in the first place, but it seems like IvyBridge is a particularly finicky chip to OC anyway given the TIM issues and the 22nm die. So that has me debating if a 3770k is really worth the extra $50 compared to an E3-1245V2 (3.4/3.8Ghz, with integrated graphics.) However, I can't find any information whatsoever on how pcie lane division is handled with a z77 board (specifically the GA-Z77X-UP5-TH) when using an E3 chip, since they have 20 lanes of pcie 3.0 connectivity, compared to the standard 16 lanes of an i3/i5/i7. Honestly I can't find any information from Gigabyte outside of the fact that the E3/V2 series is listed on the compatible CPU list. Otherwise there's no information anywhere about E3 usage in their UP4/UP5 boards, not even in the downloadable manuals, or on FAQ pages, etc.

My fear is that the board is simply hardwired for 16 lanes, and using a Xeon with a Z77 board like the UP5 means you just flat out lose access to the extra four lanes, which would be a pretty big loss, I'd eventually like to run two GTX 670 GPU's in SLI, along with a hardware raid controller (highpoint 2720SGL, pcie 2.0 x8 card.) I'll already be populating the two usable x1 slots with a wifi card, and a tv tuner card, so that leaves only the bottom most x16 (x4 electrically) slot for the raid controller.

So, is there anyone here that's using an E3 with a UP5 that can check the lane division? More specifically, with an E3, does populating all three pcie x16 length slots show up as x8/x8/x4 or x8/x4/x4?

Thanks in advance for the time and help in figuring this out smile.gif
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yea the UP4 actually wouldn't be as good as the UD5H in terms of I/O, the UD5H has better audio and more OC features as well.
The Up4 is really a cheaper board for thunderbolt support, doing a review now.
I'm guessing the UP4 and UP5 should clock the same right? Any chance if you can compare just out of curiosity... I've got a UP5 on order anyway. smile.gif

In my November issue of Custom PC (UK) Magazine, they did a review of the Z77X-UP4-TH, they clocked a 3770K to 4.7GHz using only 1.3v, it took 1.34v for a Asus Maximus V Gene and 1.37v for the Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H.
Edited by Nelly. - 10/15/12 at 4:40pm
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I'm guessing the UP4 and UP5 should clock the same right? Any chance if you can compare just out of curiosity... I've got a UP5 on order anyway. smile.gif
In my November issue of Custom PC (UK) Magazine, they did a review of the Z77X-UP4-TH, they clocked a 3770K to 4.7GHz using only 1.3v, it took 1.34v for a Asus Maximus V Gene and 1.37v for the Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H.


Sin had some sick OC on UP5-TH that was shown earlier in this thread. The VRM breaks down like this:


UP4 had the same PWM phases as UD5H(IR3567) -> 6+2, just without the doublers, uses the same IR3550 Mosfet as UP5
UP5 have true 8 phase PWM (IR3563)->8+0, so UP5 should clock better than UP4 but I am interested in those results too. UP4 had more reviews and was shown to be a pretty capable OCer.
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Hi everyone,
First off, I'm honestly not sure if this is the right thread, but I figured it's tagged "discussion" in the title, and should be the best place to find gigabyte motherboard owners that might have an answer to my question. I sincerely apologize if this is the wrong thread, please either move the post, or just delete it and let me know where I should post instead.
Anyway, I'm currently planning my first new build in roughly a decade (since before college when I became an apple user for a while) and I have a question for anyone that might possibly be using the GA-Z77X-UP4/5 motherboards with a Xeon E3 v2 series processor.
I'm not particularly fond of overclocking (yeah, I know, wrong site to say that) in the first place, but it seems like IvyBridge is a particularly finicky chip to OC anyway given the TIM issues and the 22nm die. So that has me debating if a 3770k is really worth the extra $50 compared to an E3-1245V2 (3.4/3.8Ghz, with integrated graphics.) However, I can't find any information whatsoever on how pcie lane division is handled with a z77 board (specifically the GA-Z77X-UP5-TH) when using an E3 chip, since they have 20 lanes of pcie 3.0 connectivity, compared to the standard 16 lanes of an i3/i5/i7. Honestly I can't find any information from Gigabyte outside of the fact that the E3/V2 series is listed on the compatible CPU list. Otherwise there's no information anywhere about E3 usage in their UP4/UP5 boards, not even in the downloadable manuals, or on FAQ pages, etc.
My fear is that the board is simply hardwired for 16 lanes, and using a Xeon with a Z77 board like the UP5 means you just flat out lose access to the extra four lanes, which would be a pretty big loss, I'd eventually like to run two GTX 670 GPU's in SLI, along with a hardware raid controller (highpoint 2720SGL, pcie 2.0 x8 card.) I'll already be populating the two usable x1 slots with a wifi card, and a tv tuner card, so that leaves only the bottom most x16 (x4 electrically) slot for the raid controller.
So, is there anyone here that's using an E3 with a UP5 that can check the lane division? More specifically, with an E3, does populating all three pcie x16 length slots show up as x8/x8/x4 or x8/x4/x4?
Thanks in advance for the time and help in figuring this out smile.gif

AFAIK you can't overclock a Xeon any more than a non-K CPU(6bin=600Mhz) via multiplier(probably even less), so using an OC board on it would be a waste, plus Xeon Processor uses ECC memory and non-server motherboards like UP5-TH can't use ECC memory, only Server motherboards can.
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AFAIK you can't overclock a Xeon any more than a non-K CPU(6bin=600Mhz) via multiplier(probably even less), so using an OC board on it would be a waste, plus Xeon Processor uses ECC memory and non-server motherboards like UP5-TH can't use ECC memory, only Server motherboards can.

Hi,

I don't really plan on overclocking, and price wise, the E3-1245v2 is at worst, the same price as a 3770, and at best, $40 cheaper than a 3770. Also, while it's not listed, there's a very high probability that the right ECC memory will work just fine in a Z77 board if a Xeon is installed, since the memory controller is integrated into the CPU, and not a discrete motherboard chip anymore. And regardless, Xeon chips can run just fine with non-ECC memory, especially the E3 series since they only support unbuffered (non registered) ECC anyway.

Ok, so my reasoning for asking about the lane division here is that I like and prefer the feature set, I/O options, and overall layout of the UP5, and the selection of C216 chipset boards on the market is abysmal (seriously, one crap asus board, the P8C.) I did a lot of searching and have read threads here of people using the 1240/5 v2 just fine in asus and asrock z77 boards, but none of them mention pcie lane division, and I'm 99% sure that will be unique to the individual motherboard anyway.

Thanks for the reply though, I'm sure there are a lot of people that just think they want a Xeon and don't really know much about them/why they'd need one, but I've done a fair bit of research on this, just can't find an answer yet to this specific question.
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I think you are going to be limited to X8/X4/X4. There are just not enough PCI-E switches on UP5 to handle 20 lanes that Xeons have. I am not entirely sure though.
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UP5 TH New bios out F12a

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yea GB rarely releases decent change logs, something I have pushed for myself.

Also comparing the VRm to OC is not really always correct, a better VRM would handle changes in loads much better, however the thing is that it doesn't always affect max clock. For instance the UD3H has a very high clocks, however the UD5H matches it and the UD5H has double the phases and such.

What a better VRm will accomplish however is cooler operation, which is exactly what these UP boards are excellent at.

IMo comparing the UP4 and UD5H is kind of tough, but in the end I would think the rating would go as such in terms of overall features= UD3H < UP4 = UD5H < UP5 < UP7

Each board has its pluses, max OC on the UP4 and UP5 are the same. However the UP5 would run slightly cooler and possibly be more efficient.
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