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No PSU can currently run SLI DX10 cards, so don't even try to go that route.

I would say get some DDR 1066 RAM (4 x 1 GB) 1 8800GTX, an x6800, an ASUS mobo, the 750W Silencer, the Cooler Master Stacker 830 (I just love that case and wish I could afford it) 2 750GB Seagate Barracudas in RAID 0(faster than Dual Raptors) Water Cooling, possibly, 2 22" Widescreen Samsung Flat Panels

Life's gonna be really sweet for someone...

Or just order him one from Falcon Northwest and keep the extra money
    
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There are plenty of PSU's that can SLI 8800's. Look at power consumption reports. doesn't get above 400 watt with 1 card, so another card = about 550watt peak total system consumption (if that). Plenty of PSU's can handle that.

4GB RAM is pointless for what he would be doing with it (general useage I'm guessing).

I would still be amazed if this guy turns up with $5k.
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There are plenty of PSU's that can SLI 8800's. Look at power consumption reports. doesn't get above 400 watt with 1 card, so another card = about 550watt peak total system consumption (if that). Plenty of PSU's can handle that.

4GB RAM is pointless for what he would be doing with it (general useage I'm guessing).

I would still be amazed if this guy turns up with $5k.
No..Wattage is one piece of the large puzzle.. The only PSU that has enough amps and watts to handle 2 G80s is the 550$ PC&C..

No other PSU on the market can handle them.

And since when do they use 150w? One uses 300w on load. Absolutely no way a 550w can handle a whole rig and G80 SLI.
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I'd wait a few months until at least the new nVidia based motherboards are out and we know how they perform.

I would get a really really good monitor, either a Dell 24" for like $800, or maybe even the big 32" apple for $2000!

Based on the latter, that leaves $3000 for the rig:
- E6700: $500
- High-end MoBo: $300
- 2GB DDR2 800 RAM (G.Skill HZ): $300
- Pair of 150GB Raptors: $450
- SLI-ed 8800GTS: $900 (http://www.tweaktown.com/news/6548/index.html)
- PC Power & Cooling 750W: $200
- FSP GPU PSU: $85
- Case: $150

Leaves about $100 for other stuff.

Note I picked the GTS version of the 8800, which is considerably cheaper, but still packs a violent punch. Also, I opted for a PC Power & Cooling 750W (60A on 12V Rails) which might be enough for the SLI 8800GTS's (which I expect not to draw as much power as the GTX). If it's not enough, you can add the FSP, which delivers 300W for the second GPU. That's a cheaper solution than a single 1KW PSU.

Nicely overclocked, the E6700 will be on par with the X6800. I don't think the X6800 will overclock that much more. Since the user seems to be a n00b, I do recommend air cooling. Water would give better results, but I'd let him first just get used to the rid. Initially, I would not overclock it too much until he gets a 'feel' for his rig.

And yes, $500 is outrageous.
    
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we need to change this thread to, "PLACE YOUR BETS: IS HE COMING UP W/ THE 5000 BONES OR BUST?"
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No..Wattage is one piece of the large puzzle.. The only PSU that has enough amps and watts to handle 2 G80s is the 550$ PC&C..

No other PSU on the market can handle them.

And since when do they use 150w? One uses 300w on load. Absolutely no way a 550w can handle a whole rig and G80 SLI.
Must remain calm... everyone seems to be out to get me recently.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4812

Here you will see a table for total power consumption of a whole system with a G80. (I guess it is the whole system because it is using a meter plugged into the socket, and the whole system is plugged into that).

Now lets take a look. Load = 321w.

Some system builders are offering this with a 1000w Galaxy PSU. It's got 5 rails at 17a each for a total of 85a. 3 of these power the PCI-E connectors from what I can interpret from the datasheet (even though rails always lead back to the same source so it is silly really... I've never understood intel). 3 x 17a = 51. So 2 GTX's will therefore not draw more than 51a period. So the overhead for this PSU must be quite high, so lets say 40a is what 2xGTX's could draw. Lets look at how many PSU's can handle that and the wattage of 550+ shall we?

(Some of these don't have 4 PCI-E connectors)
Enermax Galaxy 1000
Enermax Galaxy 850
Enermax Liberty 620*
Seasonic M12-600*
Seasonic M12-700
OCZ GameXStream 600W*
OCZ GameXStream 700W
Tagan Turbojet 1100
Tagan Turbojet 1100
Tagan Dual Engine 700
Tagan Dual Engine 600*
Possibly the EasyCon XL series but the datasheets are not currently up
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750
PC Power & Cooling Turbo-Cool 1kw

And there are probably many more. Some of these I have seen powering servers so don't tell me that two %^&*$ graphics cards need that much power. Because they don't.

*denotes that they may be low in wattage/amp ratings if my information is incorrect.

Now say there are none on the market.
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"there are none on the market"
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even though rails always lead back to the same source so it is silly really... I've never understood intel
Incorrect. Certain high-end PSUs have separate transformers, so different sources for the 12V rails. My understanding of the Galaxy is that 12V1 and 12V2 share a source and 12V3, 12V4, and 12V5 share a second source. 12V1 and 12V2 are CPU-only rails, so let's exclude those.

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3 x 17a = 51.
NO! You cannot do that. Check here: http://www.enermax.com/english/produ...y1.asp?PrID=60. Scroll to the bottom, and you'll see that the total max load on 12V3, 12V4, and 12V5 is 41A.

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So 2 GTX's will therefore not draw more than 51a period. So the overhead for this PSU must be quite high, so lets say 40a is what 2xGTX's could draw.
Since 12V3, 12V4, 12V5 also need to power EVERYTHING else in the rig, 41A is NOT enough if the cards indeed draw 40A. Even 51A would be a little tight in my opinion.

Lets look at how many PSU's can handle that and the wattage of 550+ shall we?
(Some of these don't have 4 PCI-E connectors)
Enermax Galaxy 1000 - 41A 12V rail current for GPU/HDD/Optical/System
Enermax Galaxy 850 - 34A 12V rail current for GPU/HDD/Optical/System
Enermax Liberty 620* - 36A 12V rail current TOTAL
Seasonic M12-600* - 48A 12V rail current TOTAL
Seasonic M12-700 - 56A 12V rail current TOTAL
OCZ GameXStream 600W* - 44A 12V rail current TOTAL
OCZ GameXStream 700W - 50A 12V rail current TOTAL
Tagan Turbojet 1100 - 80A 12V rail current TOTAL
Tagan Turbojet 900- 72A 12V rail current TOTAL
Tagan Dual Engine 700
Tagan Dual Engine 600*
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PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 - 60A 12V rail current TOTAL SINGLE RAIL
PC Power & Cooling Turbo-Cool 1kw - 72A 12V rail current TOTAL SINGLE RAIL

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And there are probably many more. Some of these I have seen powering servers so don't tell me that two %^&*$ graphics cards need that much power. Because they don't.
The odd thing is that for a single card 450W is recommended, and for dual cards 800W is recommended... the additional power needed for the second card seems a lot.

You say yourself 40A for the pair. The only PSUs I see that could be handle that are the Tagans, the PC Power & Cooling Turbo-Cool 1kw, and possibly the silencer.
    
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honestly who cares? ONE g80 card can rip apart anything else right now, wether its in SLi/Crossfire or not. If you had enough money to buy two of them, PLUS the power to supply both, then you need to be.....well i'll think of something later.

Plus don't forget what some of us used to do.... 2 or 3 power supplies and get those things buzzin. Just dedicate one to your PC and storage, then the other to your video cards. Problem solved. Its possible. there's an FAQ on here somewhere how to make multiple PSU's work w/ each other.
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I'd get the 750W PC Power & Cooling Silencer for $210 (including shipping) and, if you get the second card, simply add FSP Group (Fortron Source) BoosterX 3, 300W (max 400W) for $93 (including shipping).

That would be less than $300, thus cheaper than the high-end monsters you need if you stay single PSU. Also, the BoosterX is designed to start up together with the main PSU, so no hassle with setting up the dual PSU rig.
    
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