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7/30/12 at 7:30pm
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Only the 120hz Samsung's (700/750/950D) have no ghosting. All 120hz displays also feature 3D support except for the 27" Liyama.
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Only the 120hz Samsung's (700/750/950D) have no ghosting. All 120hz displays also feature 3D support except for the 27" Liyama.
Only the 120hz Samsung's (700/750/950D) have no ghosting. All 120hz displays also feature 3D support except for the 27" Liyama.
What about this: http://www.digitalversus.com/lcd-monitor/face-off/9084-8953-sde_cali.html
When you add the Dell U2311H to the list, the best result actually shows zero ghosting. Worst result does suffer from it though. IPS are "slower" though, so I'm wondering exactly how bad it is.
Also, I've recently heard some bad stories about 120hz when you can't reach 120fps. Apparently, certain games can stutter very heavy on 80-90fps or even 60fps. I own a gtx 560 ti, so that's the fps I'm aiming at myself.
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7/31/12 at 4:09am
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In theory any display could do 3D provided you find some method of running shutter glasses. They started marketing the whole 3D thing with 120Hz displays because then you have 60Hz per eye which is acceptable. I'd prefer 120Hz per eye but there's probably no rig out there that can output 240FPS on recent games. Originally Posted by Guerrilladawg
Thanks, the 3D is of no use though. Sucks that I'll have to pay extra for 3D, while I only require the no ghosting and smoothness of 120Hz.
Come to think about it, why do all GOOD 120hz panels have 3D? Is it to justify the price?
Thanks, the 3D is of no use though. Sucks that I'll have to pay extra for 3D, while I only require the no ghosting and smoothness of 120Hz.
Come to think about it, why do all GOOD 120hz panels have 3D? Is it to justify the price?
As for stuttering at 60-90 FPS, so far I didn't see any issues there on my rig.
I believe my Asus VH278H and the BenQ XL2420T are pretty good but they most likely are over your budget. Also they're aimed more at NVidia users while you have some ATI card in your sig rig. If you, down the road, decide that you want 3D with your ATI card you'd either need games that support this out of the box (I think some recent Battlefield incarnation does) or something like the TriDef software for ATI cards. NVidia users have this software stuff built into the drivers but they're forced to buy officially certified monitors to get 3D whereas the TriDef stuff is bundled with the more ATI oriented monitors.
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Well, my sig is outdated.
I also don't really need the 3D. 120hz looked good, because of the smoothness and "less ghosting".
Like, I have no idea what would happen if you have 50-60fps on a 120hz monitor. I think you can "disable 120 hz" and use 60 hz, but that would defeat the purpose of a 120 hz monitor.
I also don't really need the 3D. 120hz looked good, because of the smoothness and "less ghosting".
Like, I have no idea what would happen if you have 50-60fps on a 120hz monitor. I think you can "disable 120 hz" and use 60 hz, but that would defeat the purpose of a 120 hz monitor.
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7/31/12 at 10:10am
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It seems like you really don't way a display with no ghosting since you keep saying to to the120hz Samsung's.
You benefit from 120hz @ any FPS, stutter isn't caused by using higher refresh rates.
The worst result pictures from Digital Versus are caused by the camera, not the display. When taking response time pictures not every picture will turn out the same, even when using identical camera settings. One has to subjectively match up what they think is the most accurate picture with what they see on screen.
The U2311H does ghost, just because it does not ghost with the colours in the Digital Versus image doesn't mean it is ghosting free. PRAD.de actually measures the response times with a ton of colour transitions to give accurate results.
Edited by MenacingTuba - 7/31/12 at 10:12am
You benefit from 120hz @ any FPS, stutter isn't caused by using higher refresh rates.
The worst result pictures from Digital Versus are caused by the camera, not the display. When taking response time pictures not every picture will turn out the same, even when using identical camera settings. One has to subjectively match up what they think is the most accurate picture with what they see on screen.
The U2311H does ghost, just because it does not ghost with the colours in the Digital Versus image doesn't mean it is ghosting free. PRAD.de actually measures the response times with a ton of colour transitions to give accurate results.
Edited by MenacingTuba - 7/31/12 at 10:12am
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7/31/12 at 11:37am
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I've never seen this ghosting thing ppl talk about. Is it just one of those things some ppl don't notice.
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7/31/12 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by Guerrilladawg
Well, my sig is outdated.
I also don't really need the 3D. 120hz looked good, because of the smoothness and "less ghosting".
Like, I have no idea what would happen if you have 50-60fps on a 120hz monitor. I think you can "disable 120 hz" and use 60 hz, but that would defeat the purpose of a 120 hz monitor.
Well, my sig is outdated.
I also don't really need the 3D. 120hz looked good, because of the smoothness and "less ghosting".
Like, I have no idea what would happen if you have 50-60fps on a 120hz monitor. I think you can "disable 120 hz" and use 60 hz, but that would defeat the purpose of a 120 hz monitor.
Heh oh well
I got burnt with the whole 3D and certified monitor stuff by NVidia in the not so distant past so I mention it quite often.
If you have less than 120FPS on a 120Hz monitor then nothing bad will happen. It's like having less than 60FPS on a 60Hz display. You probably won't really see stuttering until you drop a good deal below 60FPS. The threshold where you notice stuttering is personal stuff I think. Mine is roughly at 40FPS, If FPS drop below I really notice things are getting ugly.
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Originally Posted by MenacingTuba
It seems like you really don't way a display with no ghosting since you keep saying to to the120hz Samsung's.
You benefit from 120hz @ any FPS, stutter isn't caused by using higher refresh rates.
The worst result pictures from Digital Versus are caused by the camera, not the display. When taking response time pictures not every picture will turn out the same, even when using identical camera settings. One has to subjectively match up what they think is the most accurate picture with what they see on screen.
The U2311H does ghost, just because it does not ghost with the colours in the Digital Versus image doesn't mean it is ghosting free. PRAD.de actually measures the response times with a ton of colour transitions to give accurate results.
It seems like you really don't way a display with no ghosting since you keep saying to to the120hz Samsung's.
You benefit from 120hz @ any FPS, stutter isn't caused by using higher refresh rates.
The worst result pictures from Digital Versus are caused by the camera, not the display. When taking response time pictures not every picture will turn out the same, even when using identical camera settings. One has to subjectively match up what they think is the most accurate picture with what they see on screen.
The U2311H does ghost, just because it does not ghost with the colours in the Digital Versus image doesn't mean it is ghosting free. PRAD.de actually measures the response times with a ton of colour transitions to give accurate results.
700d is €289 here, so I could buy that one. You're positive there is no 60hz screen with the ghosting ability of this 120hz then? I wish there was a cheaper option, since I really won't use the 3d glasses and 3d itself.
I could buy a gtx 670 if my monitor would only be about 190. Now i'll have to buy a gtx 560 ti
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Bumping again.
I noticed some of the Asus monitors have trace free and they're under €200. Do they reduce/eliminate ghosting?
I know my original budget was 250+, but the option of having a gtx 670 outweighs a 120 hz monitor....for now.
I just cannot believe the only ghostfree monitors are 120hz + 3d...
Edited by Guerrilladawg - 8/6/12 at 5:45am
I noticed some of the Asus monitors have trace free and they're under €200. Do they reduce/eliminate ghosting?
I know my original budget was 250+, but the option of having a gtx 670 outweighs a 120 hz monitor....for now.
I just cannot believe the only ghostfree monitors are 120hz + 3d...
Edited by Guerrilladawg - 8/6/12 at 5:45am
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