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post #31 of 72
7/29/12 at 4:59am
Well I just spent the afternoon lapping my CPU and heat sink - only had up to 1000 grit at the closest shop, but spent about 2 hours on the hsf and cpu. Result - almost nilch - maybe -1C off idle and load if that. Lucky I didn't fvck the cpu, because I accidentally ripped it out of the socket joined to the hsf without unlocking lever, resulting in 3 or 4 bent pins. I straightened them all up, but dropped the cpu on on to the glass table a couple of times during the lapping process. I was so ready to just buy another second hand 945, but guess what, after 2 hours of sanding and lapping, it booted up just as normal - what a champ chip.

Results, 3.4Ghz CPU and 2.6Ghz NB (17x200) at 1.36V still does everything I need. I tried 270 FSB to get the ram and CPU roughly the same speed and bump up the NB, but it requires so much more voltage with almost no performance return, that I am thinking of sticking with my 200 base FSB so I can at least keep the sleep function working. Will do more OC testing tomorrow to try and find a nice intermedium between speed, voltage and temp, but so far, the most simple 17x multi seems best and coolest.

I realize I am thread-jacking...but might be of reference...
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post #32 of 72
7/29/12 at 9:04am
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yes test that ram this is your week link

Agreed. It seems like the CPU and motherboard have held up against everything I've thrown at it, whereas the RAM doesn't seem to want to give me even 1333MHz (which is kinda sad, since it's actually manufactured to run at that frequency).

As a test, I ramped the HT/reference clock to 270 with a CPU multi of 10.5 (which gave me roughly stock @2835MHz). I kept the RAM around 1066MHz (cannot remember exactly, but it was close to that), and ran Prime95 on that configuration for an hour-and-a-half before manually quitting the test. As soon as I rebooted and set the RAM closer to 1333MHz using the same HT/ref. clock and CPU muliplier value, Prime95 blue screened not five minutes after starting the test. Like I suspected before, this processor wants to do more, but this particular set of RAM just doesn't want to seem to allow it to. And I haven't even tried to test for what my true "FSB high limit/wall" is yet; I simply took a gamble and tried 270 as the highest so far.

Another thing, I find I've been able to run the RAM stable at 1333MHz with everything else left at stock. I think I'm going to try for simply OC'ing the CPU, and leaving the NB and HT Link values as close to stock as possible to see if that doesn't stabilize 1333MHz on the RAM, or if I'm lucky, higher.

Otherwise, I think instead of a new CPU and graphics card right away, I might look into new RAM + a new GPU, then waiting for Piledriver/Vishera.

@Mongen No thread jacking foul involved smile.gif Actually, as a person who's still fairly new to the world of overclocking, sharing your experiences is helping out a great deal for me. I appreciate the feedback. Believe it or not, I've been reading through quite a number of the other OC threads involving Phenom II's to see how other people overcome or address their challenges. Gives me new ideas to try out and the overall learning experience in and of itself is very beneficial smile.gif

That's one tough cookie you got there, to hold up after everything you described happened during the lapping process -=laughing=- I'm just sad to see it didn't yield much better cooling results for you redface.gif What RAM are you using with it?
Edited by RevOne - 7/29/12 at 9:55am
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7/29/12 at 10:02am
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Sorry for the double post, but as you see, most of my posts are lengthy. Just trying to keep things organized smile.gif

Here's what I'm currently trying:
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2455522

1.4v on the CPU (1.368v w/ vdroop)
1.175v on the CPU-NB.
NB and HT Link frequency are both at stock (2000MHz)
The RAM is set to it's XMP profile frequency, timings, and voltage (1333MHz | 9-10-10-25 34 2T @ 1.6v)

But everything seems to be throttling (look at the difference from the clock speed/settings shown at the left, to what the CPU-Z program window shows at right). It seems to jump up & down to just a smidgen below 3.4GHz , then to a tiny bit above 3.5GHz. Validation was done while Prime95 blend was running. CnQ and all that is disabled.
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7/29/12 at 10:22am
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Agreed. It seems like the CPU and motherboard have held up against everything I've thrown at it, whereas the RAM doesn't seem to want to give me even 1333MHz (which is kinda sad, since it's actually manufactured to run at that frequency).
As a test, I ramped the HT/reference clock to 270 with a CPU multi of 10.5 (which gave me roughly stock @2835MHz). I kept the RAM around 1066MHz (cannot remember exactly, but it was close to that), and ran Prime95 on that configuration for an hour-and-a-half before manually quitting the test. As soon as I rebooted and set the RAM closer to 1333MHz using the same HT/ref. clock and CPU muliplier value, Prime95 blue screened not five minutes after starting the test. Like I suspected before, this processor wants to do more, but this particular set of RAM just doesn't want to seem to allow it to. And I haven't even tried to test for what my true "FSB high limit/wall" is yet; I simply took a gamble and tried 270 as the highest so far.
Another thing, I find I've been able to run the RAM stable at 1333MHz with everything else left at stock. I think I'm going to try for simply OC'ing the CPU, and leaving the NB and HT Link values as close to stock as possible to see if that doesn't stabilize 1333MHz on the RAM, or if I'm lucky, higher.
Otherwise, I think instead of a new CPU and graphics card right away, I might look into new RAM + a new GPU, then waiting for Piledriver/Vishera.
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That's one tough cookie you got there, to hold up after everything you described happened during the lapping process -=laughing=- I'm just sad to see it didn't yield much better cooling results for you redface.gif What RAM are you using with it?

The main frustration if lapping doesn't work = Your chip looks like rusted crap biggrin.gif
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7/29/12 at 12:05pm
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The main frustration if lapping doesn't work = Your chip looks like rusted crap biggrin.gif

Haha.... yeah biggrin.gif Good point, PunkX. I feel for you, Mongen. redface.gif What (now lapped) cooler is it sitting under BTW?

On a side note, I haven't given up quite yet. I'm just trying different things at this point and this is what I went for. Everything is the same as the last post, except I lowered the vcore voltage to 1.38v; and increased the RAM to 1666MHz w/ the XMP 1333MHz profile's timings @ 1.6v. Here's what happened:

Got the "Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4" error on cores 3 & 4.




EDIT: Regarding the RAM... Not surprising, I guess - http://www.overclock.net/t/1174696/directron-corsair-dominator-8gb-2x4gb-ddr3-1333mhz-cl9-38-99

EDIT #2: Odd... I just noticed that under the Northbridge menu subsection in my bios that ECC mode gets enabled by default. It's been on this entire time. Could that be a potential source of the issues I've been having?
Edited by RevOne - 7/29/12 at 2:07pm
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Haha.... yeah biggrin.gif Good point, PunkX. I feel for you, Mongen. redface.gif What (now lapped) cooler is it sitting under BTW?
On a side note, I haven't given up quite yet. I'm just trying different things at this point and this is what I went for. Everything is the same as the last post, except I lowered the vcore voltage to 1.38v; and increased the RAM to 1666MHz w/ the XMP 1333MHz profile's timings @ 1.6v. Here's what happened:
Got the "Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4" error on cores 3 & 4.

EDIT: Regarding the RAM... Not surprising, I guess - http://www.overclock.net/t/1174696/directron-corsair-dominator-8gb-2x4gb-ddr3-1333mhz-cl9-38-99
EDIT #2: Odd... I just noticed that under the Northbridge menu subsection in my bios that ECC mode gets enabled by default. It's been on this entire time. Could that be a potential source of the issues I've been having?

yes it can as well as XMP is for Intel and dosent play real well with AMD as well as 1333 ram is real binded and dosent over clock well
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7/29/12 at 7:35pm
Running 8GB of Kingston DDR2 HyperX 1066, cooled with a Scythe Katana 3 as per sig rig. I think the Scythe is simply too small for a 125W CPU, even though it has i7s listed in its specs.

The look of the cpu doesn't really bother me as it is hidden under the cooler anyway.

I'm just baffled as to why the Core is listed as 10C or more hotter than the CPU in both Everest and Speedfan. CPU is almost running at ambient temps, yet the Core is that much higher...I'm running K10stat to lower the multi/volts when doing 2D work. When I load up Prime95 at 3.5Ghz, Core temps easily reach high 60s, so I have to stop the test as that it just too high for comfort. 3.4GHz will flirt with 60C, which is still too high for my liking. CPU temps will hover around 50C at either speed though...

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7/29/12 at 8:19pm
AMD is really bad with idle temps don't really pay attion to that its under load temps that are spot on
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7/29/12 at 8:24pm
Which one do I go with? Core or CPU? There is 10C between them even under load, with the Core flirting with danger. Coretemp uses the Core temp (duh), instead of the lower CPU temp.
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7/29/12 at 8:26pm
yes cpu temp is also called socket temp and core is core
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For Sale: F/S or F/T GIGABYTE GA-A75-UD4H FM1 AMD A75 and AMD A6-3670K Unlocked Llano 2.7GHz Socket FM1 100W Quad-Core
$1 (USD) or best offer
 
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Asus Sbertooth Asus GTX 570 G.SKILL Ares Series DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) G.SKILL Ares Series DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOptical DriveCooling
Mushkin Enhanced Chronos MKNSSDCR180GB  SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW  Sony BDUx10 Ibuypower AMD AM3 CPU Watercooling All-in-one s... 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 PRO 32 bit Dell ST2320LF 23-Inch Widescreen Flat Panel LCD... GIGABYTE GK-K6800  OCZ OCZ850GXSSLI GameXStream 850W  
CaseMouseAudio
ENERMAX FULMO Advance ECA892AG-BL  GIGABYTE GM-M6800 Noble  Sony SRS-DB500 2.1 Portable Speakers 
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