Originally Posted by steelbom
Value is subjective. The Mac Pro is outdated but the iMac is great value. It's the most powerful all-in-one you can buy, and it can even compete with a pre-built desktop system (and display) if the lack of expansion isn't a problem.
Don't change the subject. I said tech value, and the Mac Pro desktop. Fact is, its worthless.
And again that's subjective. The whole point to the iPad 3 was the display, so if you don't notice the difference or don't care then there's really almost no point in upgrading. I notice the difference immensely and I'm willing to put up with the slightly heavier weight and slightly less battery life. The thickness isn't even noticeable so I can't see how that's much of an issue.
Sure, I was using an example of a friend. There are probably a fair amount of people who saw the same thing as he did, while other probably saw it as an upgrade. The problem is, a lot of people blindly bought it, without actually comparing it, simply because it was "the new iPad".
But your average person don't know much about anything related to technology. You can get a cheaper laptop with better specs? Yeah but not by too much unless you exclude battery life, weight and chassis quality as a "spec".
That's what I mean. They rely on people not knowing anything about computers. IF
they did, they would have no problem finding better, cheaper laptops. As for the laptop, let's compare the non-retina MBP to something (im using 15", simply because its a good average).
MBP: $1800 (about), i7 2.3ghz, 4gb 1600mhz, GT650m, 500gb 5400rpm drive. "7-hour" battery. Its 5.6lb, and 0.95" thick.
HP Envy 15: $1,600 (about), 17 2.3ghz, 6GB 1600mhz, 7750m, 750gb 7200rpm drive, "10 hour" battery. It's 5.79lb and 1.11" thick.
Basically, you get a similar-looking laptop, more ram, a better hard-drive, more battery for $200 less, while trading 0.19lb and 0.16". I admit, this is a tough catagory, depending on how much you value weight and size.
It's not better but it is somewhat cheaper.
The 11.6 inch MBA is $1100 and includes a 1.7GHz i5 and 128GB storage. The 11 inch ZBP UX21 is $999 (down to $950 on Amazon) and includes a 1.6GHz i5 and 128GB storage.
The 13.3 inch MBA is $1599 and includes a 2GHz i7 and 256GB storage. The 13 inch ZBP UX31 is $1499 (down to $1273) and includes a 1.8GHz i7 and 256GB storage. All models include 4GB of RAM.
That's also subjective, but generally speaking yes you can get an equivalent system for much less than a pre-built. But there isn't anything you can do if you're after an all-in-one.
Stop trying to excuse apple's horrible desktop with the vaguely acceptable "all-in-one". If you're using a desktop for any amount of proper work (like rendering, which the Mac desktop is advertised for), an all-in-one is not what you want.
Again that's subjective, unless you're only talking about the CPU, GPU and RAM? In that case the 4S still trumps all of them GPU-wise, except maybe for the S3 which I think might have a version with graphics just as powerful at their respective native resolutions.
I did say "from a technical standpoint", so yes, im talking about CPU, GPU, RAM, etc. In which case the S3 wins everything. Faster, better CPU, way more RAM, better GPU, HD screen, 4G, NFC, better front/back camera, etc. There is zero point in arguing looks.
I disagree. If people are disappointed after buying their Apple product they can return the product. And the PCs crashing because they use different parts isn't entirely untrue, some parts just don't mesh well together -- if you build it yourself and choose your parts properly then you won't really have a problem.
The reason they aren't disappointed is because they don't have a proper base to compare it to. Its like people who go out and blindly buy the 4S. They think its a great phone. Its fast, does multi-tasking, has apps, a camera, and looks good. However, as soon as you start showing them the features of something like the S3, they're instantly disappointed by their purchase. Bigger screen, faster CPU, GPU, more RAM, expandable storage, better camera, etc.
As for "parts not working together", that ONLY counts for peripherals. I have yet to see a PC that's assembled with parts that don't work together. You can literally pick and CPU/RAM/GPU/Mobo combo and it'll work (as long as its logical, like proper socket type). The problem arises in the peripheral parts, and Apple can have the same issue (I have yet to see a Mac detect my USB, because its NTSF formatted). So that's like 5 things of mine that wont work on a Mac because they dont support one of the MOST popular file sorting types.
Even if hardware-wise they are better than the iPhone 4S (and I know in some areas it's still better or on par), that still leaves software and that's also highly subjective. That aside... the 5's only a month or two away and it'll be quite good.
What areas is it better or on par? Its slower than the S3 in every single way
and also has a lower DPI than the LG Optimus LTE. and just barely a higher DPI (i.e. 20dpi) than the S3. Face it. Its worse in every single measurable aspect.
As for the iPhone 5, the Galaxy S4 or some shenanigans will be better. Isn't wild speculation great? Besides, we've seen what it'll (probably) look like, and it's going to have a smaller screen than current market phones, and also has done nothing new with the design because of "originality" or some crap.