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Wait... You mean Microsoft is considering making an OS that only runs applications that they approve?... Like an iPhone? Why would they do that? They wouldn't benefit. Apple doesn't even do that on Macintosh machines. People like being able to install all sorts of applications from the web.
This wouldn't make MSFT any richer.
What does he mean by PC/OEM's? To me that is hardware manufacturers. Why would hardware companies stop building hardware just because of an OS? Excuse my ignorance folks, but I am having a very hard time understanding what is going on here. I have not read anything about windows 8 what-so-ever. I just know its supporting ARM and x64.

Yes, yes they are. Our brand spanking new 10.8 has three options. 1) install whatever you want, 2) Install only signed apps, 3) install only apps from the MAS. Remember it's for your security daddy Cook knows better than you. I'll bet you guys will be in the same situation soon enough with daddy Ballmer.

My gut tells me that 10.9 i.e. next year option 1 will be gone, and two releases later 2 will be gone. If Apple can get Adobe and MS on board no one will care really which is the sad part.
 
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post #122 of 129
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Well if he's not scared, he's trying to scare anyone reading the article.

I don't know about you, but I find a supposed catastrophe for all people involved in anything to do with PCs to be a pretty big deal.

Gabe is a troll nothing more. As someone mentioned in this thread he loves to spread Fear Uncertainty and Doubt. He hated ps3 before as someone mentioned but fast forward 1-2 years later, he's making games for the PS3. Lets not forget that he has been trolling about HL3 for quite sometime.
I would suggest everyone just relax and see how things pan out. Take his opinion as a grain of salt...
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He hated the PS3, but then developed for it later after informing himself more; I wouldn't be surprised if he actually hasn't tried Win8 yet and was merely guessing based off pictures and videos.

As for the whole PS3 thing, he probably wanted to develop Steam for consoles (ie. More $$$$ for Valve) but MS wouldn't allow it so he looked at developing ti for the PS3 much more in depth, I also think he was talking about the Cell processor rather than the actual developing ecosystem and he was right (Even if he exaggerated it quite a bit), the PS3 was quite a bit harder to develop for than the Xbox was at the beginning of its life-time too; after devs got used to it it became easier, but he wouldn't be too outrageous to say that it could have killed it. Whacky designs that are hard to code for have killed consoles before.
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so it's between a MS's jail or a steam's jail, so either way i go to jail biggrin.gif
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I really wouldn't put it past Microsoft trying to collect royalties for using their new OS. However, they are already changing a GUI that they have had for years (and we know hardcore PC peps HATE CHANGE =), tossing this in the mix is only going to hurt their chances of this becoming successful.
 
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Well he's kinda right, + that metro in your face is a bit too much.wackosmiley.gif


They should have made it optional or only active when it detects a touch screen device/monitor..
    
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I hate using it on a desktop. I loaded it via VirtualBox on my laptop, and it works great because it's a Penabled Tablet, and Is very intuitive. Windows 8 isn't a way forward, it's more of a sidetrack to something Windows CE failed to do. In my opinion, Windows 8 is definitely more of a tablet OS, but doesn't belong anywhere near a desktop. Using it made me want to kill myself until I learned it's little quirks. Even knowing them, I still hate using it. Workflow was/is hampered and I just don't like having to change back and forth and this and that to get crap done. It feels clunky and poorly thought out, and it will probably stay that way until I can figure out all it's little secrets. Doesn't matter anyway, I would like to just press ALT-F4 and close my damn app rather than having to drag the thing down... or just click an X... I mean come on it's a pain in the asterisk to do anything on Metro with a desktop.

Thankfully we have Windows 7 for 7 more years.. Hopefully just enough time to develop POL and WINE to where all Windows apps can run effectively...
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post #128 of 129
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Gabe is a troll nothing more. As someone mentioned in this thread he loves to spread Fear Uncertainty and Doubt. He hated ps3 before as someone mentioned but fast forward 1-2 years later, he's making games for the PS3. Lets not forget that he has been trolling about HL3 for quite sometime.
I would suggest everyone just relax and see how things pan out. Take his opinion as a grain of salt...

He did hate the PS3, but if I am not mistaken, he chose that instead of the Xbox which MS didn't let him make any updates. The same goes for indie developers making games on the system. Most people would rather go over to Sony than MS which don't allow you to put anything on their store without their extreme "knowing" and payments.
post #129 of 129
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He's wanted to get it on Linux for a while now, I think his feelings about Win 8 is just going to help speed up the process. biggrin.gif
I for one, can't wait for it since I refuse to dual-boot, and while Wine is great and runs most of my games just as well in Linux as they'd run in Windows, it's just another middle-man that I really don't want to have to run.
And hopefully with the soon-to-be success of Steam on Linux, other publishers will see that there is plenty of money to be made and start making newer games for Linux ( porting old games would be a bonus too ).

This, if I am not mistaken ID (John Carmack) already supports Linux, most games that are coming out now, especially the ones on Kickstarter are also getting Linux releases. Not many people are happy when you mention you want a Linux version of a game though, and even some Linux users think that the system is made for serious stuff and not games, I have already dealt with some.
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