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post #201 of 322
8/4/12 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by Lurikrunch View Post

I lol'd. This is a joke post, right? You can't seriously think that you're paying an outrageous amount of tax, right? Please, someone tell me it's a joke...
You are paying the lowest tax rate in more than 60 years. I am honestly scared for the future of your state if most Californians think they're being overtaxed.

Funny how from 1776 to 1910s there were virtually no taxes. Income tax wasn't officially established until 1913. It's funny how people who make the claim of paying the lowest tax rate in more than 60 years fail to mention that fact. Maybe they're just ignorant or maybe it just ruins their picture perfect history of racketeering taxes.

The sooner California goes bankrupt and cuts all of the fat off of itself the better. Until then they will continue to drive out businesses and workers by overtaxing. California will end up like Detroit where a lot of the workers ended up leaving and the city had to up their taxes just to keep spending the same amount of money. This in turn causes even more businesses people to leave. This destructive cycle continues until the city is just a scar on Earth. The fact that there are houses going for $1 in Detroit tells me that the disease is well advanced there. California is on the way there with record high unemployment numbers and businesses fleeing the state in great numbers.

Even if I wanted to stay in the state I couldn't because there are no jobs for me here. Once I finish college I will be moving off to either Washington or Texas.
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8/4/12 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

Um, everywhere liberalism has EVER been tried it has been an economic catastrophe?!?! Ever heard of Greece? The Soviet Union? France? Spain?

You're joking, right? The Soviet Union? Seriously?

Houston, my sides have liftoff.
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The only places on earth where there is true economic prosperity are where the free market and capitalism is allowed to flourish unimpeded by people who think like you do.

Name some of these places, I'm interested in hearing about them.
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You really think China and Cuba have the right idea don't you? doh.gif The pure ignorance of leftists who see socialism fail everywhere its tried yet still want to adopt those policies never ceases to amaze me... rolleyes.gif

You obviously have no understanding of the differences between communism, socialism, Marxism-Leninism, and social democracy. They're not interchangeable terms.
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Don't try to explain free market economics to him, his head will explode. You know, we gotta show compassion and all that crap....

I know how free market economics work. Please take your arrogance elsewhere.
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Funny how from 1776 to 1910s there were virtually no taxes. Income tax wasn't officially established until 1913. It's funny how people who make the claim of paying the lowest tax rate in more than 60 years fail to mention that fact. Maybe they're just ignorant or maybe it just ruins their picture perfect history of racketeering taxes.

Oh, and! The top marginal income tax rate from the 1940s through early 70s varied from between 70 and 91%. Total economic ruin amirite? Oops, more like a period of prosperity that has yet to be matched since.
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The sooner California goes bankrupt and cuts all of the fat off of itself the better. Until then they will continue to drive out businesses and workers by overtaxing. California will end up like Detroit where a lot of the workers ended up leaving and the city had to up their taxes just to keep spending the same amount of money. This in turn causes even more businesses people to leave. This destructive cycle continues until the city is just a scar on Earth. The fact that there are houses going for $1 in Detroit tells me that the disease is well advanced there. California is on the way there with record high unemployment numbers and businesses fleeing the state in great numbers.
Even if I wanted to stay in the state I couldn't because there are no jobs for me here. Once I finish college I will be moving off to either Washington or Texas.

I really hope you're not trying to draw a correlation between high taxes and Detroit being a jobless ghetto.
Edited by Malcolm - 8/4/12 at 2:22pm
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8/4/12 at 2:57pm
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Um, everywhere liberalism has EVER been tried it has been an economic catastrophe?!?! Ever heard of Greece? The Soviet Union? France? Spain? The only places on earth where there is true economic prosperity are where the free market and capitalism is allowed to flourish unimpeded by people who think like you do.
You really think China and Cuba have the right idea don't you? doh.gif The pure ignorance of leftists who see socialism fail everywhere its tried yet still want to adopt those policies never ceases to amaze me... rolleyes.gif

Love to burst your bubble of ignorance, but capitalism hasn't exactly done wondrous either, and none of your examples are even true socialism's.
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You're joking, right? The Soviet Union? Seriously?
Houston, my sides have liftoff.
Name some of these places, I'm interested in hearing about them.
You obviously have no understanding of the differences between communism, socialism, Marxism-Leninism, and social democracy. They're not interchangeable terms.
I know how free market economics work. Please take your arrogance elsewhere.
Oh, and! The top marginal income tax rate from the 1940s through early 70s varied from between 70 and 91%. Total economic ruin amirite? Oops, more like a period of prosperity that has yet to be matched since.
I really hope you're not trying to draw a correlation between high taxes and Detroit being a jobless ghetto.

1. Last I checked the Soviet Union was run by leftists (as well as Cuba, China, Iran, Venezuela). You know, all those places you'd NEVER want to live.

2. You live in it. This is the most economically advanced and successful country in the history of the world. That didn't come about by robbing successful people to give to leeches.

3. I have spent the past 15 years of my life studying the dangers of all of these flawed systems of government. I would be happy to educate you anytime via PM.

4. And what happened once Ronald Reagan lowered those draconian rates in 1981? Oh that's right, the greatest expansion of our country's economy in its history.

5. Anywhere liberal Democrats run things turns into a "jobless ghetto". See: New Orleans, Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta, Philadelphia, the entire state of California and on and on and on....
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8/4/12 at 4:04pm
Guess I gotta order my text books and such before Sept....and a bunch of useless stuff. rolleyes.gif
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8/4/12 at 10:21pm
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1. Last I checked the Soviet Union was run by leftists (as well as Cuba, China, Iran, Venezuela). You know, all those places you'd NEVER want to live.
2. You live in it. This is the most economically advanced and successful country in the history of the world. That didn't come about by robbing successful people to give to leeches.
3. I have spent the past 15 years of my life studying the dangers of all of these flawed systems of government. I would be happy to educate you anytime via PM.
4. And what happened once Ronald Reagan lowered those draconian rates in 1981? Oh that's right, the greatest expansion of our country's economy in its history.
5. Anywhere liberal Democrats run things turns into a "jobless ghetto". See: New Orleans, Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta, Philadelphia, the entire state of California and on and on and on....

1. LOL, implying you can group all those into a single collective "Left" umbrella as if they are in any way comparable to Western leftists.

2. This is what Americans are preoccupied with convincing themselves, anyway.

3. So, because I've implied that Western-European style social democracy like that of Germany and Norway is better in many respects, you think I'm a Marxist or Soviet socialist? (I'm not.) Might want to go back to school before you try to "educate" others.

4. And thus began the upward skyrocketing of the national deficit. Who wudda thunk that lowering taxes leads to lower revenue? I like how you deftly dodged the point I made regarding the post-WWII economic boom and instead shrugged off the tax rates as "draconian." Most fiscal conservatives would rather pretend that era didn't happen, because muh precious job creators.

Still chuckling at how I'm supposedly a communist. Sides have now passed Sol's termination shock.
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8/4/12 at 11:03pm
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Here in the Netherlands 19% tax, in 2012 that will be 21%. So Americans here, could be a lot worse wink.gif

but at least their taxes go into social programs like healthcare, maternity leave, and things like that

here, if your dad or mom dies, you have 3 days to get over it then get back to work, you dont get paid leave
Edited by mnkeyprince - 8/4/12 at 11:16pm
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8/4/12 at 11:06pm
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1. Last I checked the Soviet Union was run by leftists (as well as Cuba, China, Iran, Venezuela). You know, all those places you'd NEVER want to live.
2. You live in it. This is the most economically advanced and successful country in the history of the world. That didn't come about by robbing successful people to give to leeches.
3. I have spent the past 15 years of my life studying the dangers of all of these flawed systems of government. I would be happy to educate you anytime via PM.
4. And what happened once Ronald Reagan lowered those draconian rates in 1981? Oh that's right, the greatest expansion of our country's economy in its history.
5. Anywhere liberal Democrats run things turns into a "jobless ghetto". See: New Orleans, Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta, Philadelphia, the entire state of California and on and on and on....

we might have high gdp but that dosnt equal quality of life or happiness, you have the rich getting richer, while "socialist" countries like France have a way higher quality of life
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8/4/12 at 11:07pm
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Love to burst your bubble of ignorance, but capitalism hasn't exactly done wondrous either, and none of your examples are even true socialism's.

lol that guy thinks that welfare is whats wrong with america even though america's welfare system uses less than 1% of our budget
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8/4/12 at 11:21pm
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lol that guy thinks that welfare is whats wrong with america even though america's welfare system uses less than 1% of our budget

Indeed, what's wrong with america is the every man for himself attitude. No one in the history of humanity has ever gotten where they are without depending on everyone before them.

And really all the countries he tries to claim are "leftist" are actually more of dictatorships.
If you want leftist look at northern europe, you know... those 3 countries with the highest quality of life in the world.
Edited by OwnedINC - 8/4/12 at 11:24pm
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