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im on a 144hz display, and even tho its lcd and first or second gen...

its amazing... playing quake at 125fps ... i can see INTO FOREVER
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Seriously what is the deal with the eye and maximum FPS. A lot of the websites I went into basically state the eye can only see a maximum of ~60 fps but the brain can dicypher more - basically patching images together where the eye did not have an image to work with.

Anyone know? I read through this thread a lot and people just said they can 'feel' like they see more.... Any actual science behind this? No bro-science plz.
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Originally Posted by j3st3r View Post

So whats the deal with the eye being able to see a certain FPS and nothing beyond. Someone clarify with science plz as I know 120 hrtz is used for 3D effects.

Look I'll put it in a very simple way, my way lol thumb.gif
Whether the eye is able to see " a certain FPS and nothing beyond" I'm not sure about. But I do know that my naked eye at 60Hz on any game I play without Vsync above 60FPS, I get screen tearing. thumbsupsmiley.png That is proof enough for me that I need 120hz monitor so its able to some what keep up with my Rig generated frame rate.
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Well, lets put it like this. Compared to my Asus VE248 which I bought new 4 months ago, do you think any of this 2 monitors would perform worse in the Ghosting and Input lag department when compared to my Asus?
Note: Why isn't my Rig Sig showing?

I believe the Samsung does better in ghosting then any of them even my VG23. Honestly I really dont think the ghosting or input lag will be noticeable in either of the monitors your looking at. It really comes down to going with the Samsung if you want the better picture color, or go with the BenQ if you are ok with kinda washed colors but better input lag.

As said before 12ms input lag will not be noticeable but it will still be there, and if you have a bad input lag mouse it could definitely become sluggish.


Pro Samsung
-better picture
-no ghosting

con
-11ms input lag

Pro BenQ
-2ms input lag
Great 3d

con
-more ghosting then the asus vg and Samsung
-washed colors.


It comes down to, colors or input lag imo, but you will be happy with both I'm sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfmCnAKOR8A heres a video i watched months ago to see what the input lag was like.
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Originally Posted by Hyperion. View Post

If they discontinued the asus 3d 120hz monitor then they are no doubt doing it to bring in a newer model to take its place. I wouldn't wait till that happens of course and i wouldn't want to be the first to test a new monitor out.
Side note: Keep ghosting in mind.

If you get a lightboost monitor (3d vision 2) apparently theres a way to avoid ghosting (http://www.overclock.net/t/1339384/zero-motion-blur-lcd-nvidia-lightboost2-hack-looks-like-crt-looks-like-480hz)
post #156 of 169
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Seriously what is the deal with the eye and maximum FPS. A lot of the websites I went into basically state the eye can only see a maximum of ~60 fps but the brain can dicypher more - basically patching images together where the eye did not have an image to work with.
Anyone know? I read through this thread a lot and people just said they can 'feel' like they see more.... Any actual science behind this? No bro-science plz.

You can't prove **** with science in this matter, it really is seeing is believing and that is the extent of it.

Try a 60Hz monitor, then try a 120Hz one at 120FPS, and discover the difference for yourself. There are so many factors involved that all scientific approaches to explain this that I have read are pure rubbish.
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post #157 of 169
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Seriously what is the deal with the eye and maximum FPS. A lot of the websites I went into basically state the eye can only see a maximum of ~60 fps but the brain can dicypher more - basically patching images together where the eye did not have an image to work with.
Anyone know? I read through this thread a lot and people just said they can 'feel' like they see more.... Any actual science behind this? No bro-science plz.

People can say what they want about the eye and all this. I have a 120hz VG236h sitting right next to a 60hz VH236h. The only difference in the monitor is that one is glossy and one is matte, and that ones 120hz and the others not.

Believe me you can notice the difference when it comes to movement. I ran farcry 3 on 120hz for about 10 mins then moved it over to my 60hz monitor and even tho i was still running at 120fps i felt like i was a bit more jerky aka kinda laggy. It is also noticeable on the desktop. I can drag my mouse at 1 speed from one side of my 120hz to the other side of my 60 hz and you can tell how smooth it is on the 120 compared to how much it jumps on the 60hz.

So yeah people can say what they want all day. Its noticeable but I wouldn't say its a must or a game breaker if you don't have it., its just a nice thing to have if you can.
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If you get a lightboost monitor (3d vision 2) apparently theres a way to avoid ghosting (http://www.overclock.net/t/1339384/zero-motion-blur-lcd-nvidia-lightboost2-hack-looks-like-crt-looks-like-480hz)

I can't argue that, I must admit its been a month since i read any reviews on the 3 monitors i'm talking about. I did a lot of research but new things could have came out since then that I'm unaware.

I should also add that they say the BenQ colors can be fixed, but you need a special tool to do it.
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I should also add that the samsung 3d works with AMD video cards where the BenQ only works with Nvidia cards. If you want 3d you must keep this in mind. Also the Samsung is glossy while the benQ is matte. So if you want better colors glossy is the way to go, If you are in a bright room where a window will be directly behind the monitor then a matte might be best.


I personally Love gloss, and care nothing for 3d so i would go with the Samsung. If you buy it and you can notice the input lag then send it back and buy a BenQ. If you don't notice it then you just avoided buying a monitor just based on input lag and ended up with a great picture.
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post #160 of 169
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Originally Posted by Hyperion. View Post

Pro Samsung
-better picture
-no ghosting
con
-11ms input lag
Pro BenQ
-2ms input lag
Great 3d
con
-more ghosting then the asus vg and Samsung
-washed colors.
It comes down to, colors or input lag imo, but you will be happy with both I'm sure.

Phewwww....well still can't decide 100%. I'm leaning towards the Ben Q despite having some what bad coloring.

Now is the ghosting on the Ben Q mainly when using 3D or 2D? Because I have had personal experience with ghosting and its a big No, No for me. But in my case it was terrible and lots of it.
As for input lag I watched the video but didn't seem to notice anything and I haven't really had any experience with it.

So again I ask. Upgrading from my Asus 24" VE248 to any of this two monitors, will I notice any of those things stand out, such as input lag or ghosting more than it did on my Asus VE248H? (SIGNATURE) That's the money breaker for me right there.
Edited by EpicSurvivor - 1/4/13 at 12:38pm
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