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post #12381 of 15643
Yeah I know that, I was just wondering when the color versions of the coolant will be available?
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They just hit PPCS today... I think I'm gonna pass given the price is up in ice dragon territory.

Yeah I know that, I was just wondering when the color versions of the coolant will be available?
post #12382 of 15643
Isnt that pastel extreme best bang per buck? Normal one is 12GBP, while extreme is 18GBP it makes 3,5l of coolant.
post #12383 of 15643
Hey mayhemers, first post in this topic. Been using EK Clear coolant for a year with UV Blue tubing from Primochill. I'm thinking of changing to premixed UV Blue coolant from either EK or Mayhems. Anyone has experience with Mayhems?

I have the EK premixed but was just wondering if Mayhems would be any better. Thanks
post #12384 of 15643
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Warning : Do not use pastel extreme on thermal take new aluminium zinc coated rads, Because there rads are zinc coated and PE is a super strong version with Zinc in it, they have having lots of issues and are not compatible.

We are investigating this problem and are working on a new fluid that will work with these rads.

Mick
post #12385 of 15643
I wonder if some day someone will make a glass radiator. Well, I know about heat conductivity and all that stuff, but damn, would not that look super cool?
post #12386 of 15643
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I wonder if some day someone will make a glass radiator. Well, I know about heat conductivity and all that stuff, but damn, would not that look super cool?

if im not mistaken graphene is transparent and would be an amazing material fora rad. Now if only we could mass produce it very cheaply biggrin.gif
post #12387 of 15643
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I wonder if some day someone will make a glass radiator. Well, I know about heat conductivity and all that stuff, but damn, would not that look super cool?

Make your own with acrylic. Radiators aren't that complicated of a device, and acrylic is really easy to work with. Just get 12 acrylic tubes with a 1/16 wall. (5/8 ID 1/4OD), throw a small piece of silicon in there, heat them up, crush them flat(ish), and mount the 12 tubes to another flat piece of acrylic with a transparent epoxy, use a dremel to hallow out the contact areas so fluid can pass through, then close up the end chambers. There ya go, transparent rad.

Of course, this "radiator" would be purely aesthetic, as it's dissipation would be negligible.

-Z
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Originally Posted by cmpxchg8b View Post

I wonder if some day someone will make a glass radiator. Well, I know about heat conductivity and all that stuff, but damn, would not that look super cool?

if im not mistaken graphene is transparent and would be an amazing material fora rad. Now if only we could mass produce it very cheaply biggrin.gif

The problem with graphene as a thermal transfer material is graphene is, by it's molecular design, a 2D material.



You can manufacture it to be infinitely on the X and Y axis, but it does not stack linearly on the Z plane. The hexagonal bonds will not stack on top of eachother, so graphenes amazing thermal conductivity is measured when the graphene is one atom thick. When the hexagonal patterns do not stack on top of eachother thermal conductivity decreases. Essentially, every time you add another one atom thick layer of graphene to the Z plane you decrease thermal conductivity. By the time you add enough layers to have a thickness plausible for a device such as a radiator the thermal conductivity will have dropped so far you essentially have a thermal insulator. What /could/ be done is create a thermally conductive resin, and use graphene nanopowder to augment the thermal conductivity, effectively creating a graphene composite. Of course at that rate the material is no longer transparent.

Graphene is weird. It is a miracle material, if you google it online you can find an infinite amount of articles describing how wonderful it is. Off the top of my head, they can use graphene to passively process hydrogen for use a fuel in a hydrogen fuel cell, they can use it for lenses and/or screens since it's hardness is on par with diamonds making it scratch resistant, using it for electronic parts as it's far more electrically conductive than copper, using graphene composites for thermally conductive materials etc. The unfortunate part is this miracle material is so finicky actually using it for these purposes requires leaping over hurdles so it can actually weird. It is, indeed, a weird material.

-Z
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post #12388 of 15643
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It can be used in coolants as well how ever the coolant is made up of alcohol .... so no good for what we do. Also do not forget graphene is just pencil layered down to a single layer.. To much money being pumped into graphene all of projects are being squeezed because of it.
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It can be used in coolants as well how ever the coolant is made up of alcohol .... so no good for what we do. Also do not forget graphene is just pencil layered down to a single layer.. To much money being pumped into graphene all of projects are being squeezed because of it.

Well, yes it's theoretically the same material, but graphite is FAR lower in quality than graphene.



Graphite typically has a high number of imperfections as opposed to properly processed graphene, as illustrated by the red bonds. This results in lower thermal conductivity. As a result simply grinding graphite into a fine nanopoweder typically doesn't result in the astronomically high thermal conductivity of properly manufactured graphene. If only it was that simple though. Graphene that could be bought for $30 per 100g as opposed to $500 for 100 grams. XD

There have been some who converted carbon dioxide from our atmosphere into graphene, though an economic feasible way to accomplish this still hasn't been put into use unfortunately.

Can you tell I'm I've been in love with this material for a while? XD

On a side note, why does the coolant need to be an alcohol? Does the graphene particles bind to eachother without a solvent or something?

-Z
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From my understanding and from local testing they found that is can bond and flocculate were as with alcohol the ZP is much better and has less effect. There lots of research going on over at our end how ever a lot of it being kept quiet.
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