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OK so this didnt happen to any of you guys and Mayhem dont seam to care FINE.................

Kind sir, I've used mayhems pastel and X1 for several years now. I've used Pastel White in the past, alas I don't have a system with it at the moment. I've personally never had any issues with my White Pastel, but I also have never used vinegar to clean my full system loop either. Have you taken some of the coolant out of the loop to see if it looks brown in a clear glass container? There have been a couple of folks on the OCN who have had an issue with "brown" White Pastel, but once it was out of the tubes, it was white still and the brown was a build up of some other gunk in the tubes. Could this possible be the case also?

And, since it is a Sunday, maybe the good folks at mayhems will get back to you promptly during their normal business hours?

I'm sure that Mayhems will make good on their product if it is defective and not a user issue.
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OK so this didnt happen to any of you guys and Mayhem dont seam to care FINE.................

It didn't happen to us because we didn't put acid in our loops. Simple as that. User error.
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Mayhems X1 Coolant

Mayhems X1 Coolant is a clear standard coolant that comes in many colours. It is a alternative coolant that does not use glycol in any form. It is 100% Human / Animal safe. Like all our coolants it comes with a Child safety cap as standard.

Maximum life span is 1 year but we do recommend uses change there liquids every 9 months.

The UV Pink version of this Coolant stains like mad.... How ever it is one of the brightest UV active coolants we do. UV pink is all so in the UV Red and UV Blood Red. Mayhems how ever is now removing the UV pink from Mayhems Blood Red as we feel it is not needed. Users who have experienced the staining have managed to easily remove the staining using a mix of clear vinegar and water with no adverse side effects.

Colours Mayhems X1 comes in as standard in 250ml concentrate and 1 ltr premixed.

Clear (this is the base mix that you can colour as you wish)
UV Blue
UV Red
UV Pink (all so know as UV Red to some companies)
UV Purple
UV Oil Black
UV Clear Blue
UV Yellow Green (all so known as Acid Green)
UV Green
Blood Red (this will be rolled out soon as we are no longer producing it with UV)


i followed the mans instructions ??? mad.gif

 

You realize that the portion you bolded is the instructions for flushing out your loop if you have staining from UV pink. That means it will have no adverse affects to your equipment. That DOES NOT mean that it won't affect whatever you plan on putting in your loop next. You HAVE to watch the Ph of your loop after any time you plan on cleaning your loop with an acid.

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Mayhems X1 Coolant

Mayhems X1 Coolant is a clear standard coolant that comes in many colours. It is a alternative coolant that does not use glycol in any form. It is 100% Human / Animal safe. Like all our coolants it comes with a Child safety cap as standard.

Maximum life span is 1 year but we do recommend uses change there liquids every 9 months.

The UV Pink version of this Coolant stains like mad.... How ever it is one of the brightest UV active coolants we do. UV pink is all so in the UV Red and UV Blood Red. Mayhems how ever is now removing the UV pink from Mayhems Blood Red as we feel it is not needed. Users who have experienced the staining have managed to easily remove the staining using a mix of clear vinegar and water with no adverse side effects.

Colours Mayhems X1 comes in as standard in 250ml concentrate and 1 ltr premixed.

Clear (this is the base mix that you can colour as you wish)
UV Blue
UV Red
UV Pink (all so know as UV Red to some companies)
UV Purple
UV Oil Black
UV Clear Blue
UV Yellow Green (all so known as Acid Green)
UV Green
Blood Red (this will be rolled out soon as we are no longer producing it with UV)


i followed the mans instructions ??? mad.gif
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OK so this didnt happen to any of you guys and Mayhem dont seam to care FINE.................


Okay you need to take a chill pill. You most certainly did NOT follow the manufacturers instructions for your coolant, you followed their instructions for Mayhems X1 which is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT COOLANT. Then you're going to go off saying we don't seem to care? We told you what you did wrong, what you need to do to get it working properly, why what you did caused the issue you're having, that you were reading the system prep info from a different coolant, and someone even linked the proper description from the manu about the product your using. This is entirely user error which is understandable, we all make mistakes, but now when everyones trying to help you're going to throw a fit?

You have the information from several people, take it or leave it.
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That's for X1 coolant not Pastel. Pastel is sensitive to pH balance. Running vinegar through your loop is going to raise the acidity in your loop.

I can understand his confusion, having vinegar flush suggested for cleaning after one product and being an issue for preparing to use another.
I did notice the suggestion of flushing with DI on the bottle, but a "vinegar will turn this colors" notice might be a nice addition.
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OK so this didnt happen to any of you guys and Mayhem dont seam to care FINE.................
Not sure what your conversation with Mayhem was, but if you're mad about not having a response, it's Sunday, so give it a business day or two. If you were told "too bad" I'm really sorry for you, but it did say "The system must be clean and have no chemicals of any kind left in the system." and to flush your system with DI water.

Sorry for your luck frown.gif
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I can understand his confusion, having vinegar flush suggested for cleaning after one product and being an issue for preparing to use another.
I did notice the suggestion of flushing with DI on the bottle, but a "vinegar will turn this colors" notice might be a nice addition.
Not sure what your conversation with Mayhem was, but if you're mad about not having a response, it's Sunday, so give it a business day or two. If you were told "too bad" I'm really sorry for you, but it did say "The system must be clean and have no chemicals of any kind left in the system." and to flush your system with DI water.

Sorry for your luck frown.gif

I don't mean to sound as if I'm overreacting I have a few thousand dollars tied up in my system besides the many hours to take it apart and put it back together againI painstakingly went through a lot of trouble to make sure it was clean I read everything I could read about my mayhem that was the only thing I could find it said nothing about the pastel fluids so I went with what I have not knowing that I was already doing something wrong but nevermind so be it I will deal with it
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I don't mean to sound as if I'm overreacting I have a few thousand dollars tied up in my system besides the many hours to take it apart and put it back together againI painstakingly went through a lot of trouble to make sure it was clean I read everything I could read about my hands that was the only thing I could find it said nothing about the pastel fluids so I went with what I have not knowing that I was already doing something wrong but nevermind so be it I will deal with it

1 Tablespoon of baking soda to each liter of distilled water. Drain your loop, flush with the sodium bicarbonate (i.e. the baking soda and water), flush one more time with distilled, fill with pastel. Shouldn't have any problems after that.
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I'll add, I concur with ZytheEKs, Stickg1, and Jimhans1 in that it definitely appears that you left traces of acidic solution that threw your pH off, which often will change the color of the pastel. Mayhem has put out numerous posts in the community and other media that have addressed this type of issue in the past. The turning of color, especially towards a brown color, is generally caused by an imbalanced pH...most often from the improper flushing of radiators. Personally, I have some Pastel running in a system for almost a year straight now (24/7 mining) and I have no color changing, separation, etc. It looks as it did the day I put it in.

To say Mayhem is ignoring you is a bit unfair as he posted a page or two back saying that he sent you follow up questions in a PM. Additionally, it is outside of business hours as others have pointed out. And to say none of us care....well, you have 2 pages of responses to try to help with very little acceptance or acknowledgement from you. Mind you, none of us are paid employees or have any legal affiliation or commitment with Mayhems...we are just a community of loyal users that love the products and try to help others who are interested or have any questions or issues around the products...and also to look at the awesome builds that get posted in here. Please do not take your frustrations out on us

For completeness I wanted to add some further things to try: Drain the fluid and inspect the color in a clear glass (wine glass) in good light (outside full daylight). If it is clean, then check your tubing. If it isn't, try running it through some coffee filters a few times and see if it cleans it up. Since it was probably a pH imbalance issue, I doubt that it will do much good, but it is your best bet at salvaging your fluid.

Mayhems is working on adding additional information to their product descriptions regarding pH sensitivity and light reactiveness for all of their products. While it is not there currently, it is coming soon. This is to help customers pick products up front and keep them informed on how to use their products. I cannot say that I have seen any other company is offering this type of information.
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I'll add, I concur with ZytheEKs, Stickg1, and Jimhans1 in that it definitely appears that you left traces of acidic solution that threw your pH off, which often will change the color of the pastel. Mayhem has put out numerous posts in the community and other media that have addressed this type of issue in the past. The turning of color, especially towards a brown color, is generally caused by an imbalanced pH...most often from the improper flushing of radiators. Personally, I have some Pastel running in a system for almost a year straight now (24/7 mining) and I have no color changing, separation, etc. It looks as it did the day I put it in.

To say Mayhem is ignoring you is a bit unfair as he posted a page or two back saying that he sent you follow up questions in a PM. Additionally, it is outside of business hours as others have pointed out. And to say none of us care....well, you have 2 pages of responses to try to help with very little acceptance or acknowledgement from you. Mind you, none of us are paid employees or have any legal affiliation or commitment with Mayhems...we are just a community of loyal users that love the products and try to help others who are interested or have any questions or issues around the products...and also to look at the awesome builds that get posted in here. Please do not take your frustrations out on us

For completeness I wanted to add some further things to try: Drain the fluid and inspect the color in a clear glass (wine glass) in good light (outside full daylight). If it is clean, then check your tubing. If it isn't, try running it through some coffee filters a few times and see if it cleans it up. Since it was probably a pH imbalance issue, I doubt that it will do much good, but it is your best bet at salvaging your fluid.

Mayhems is working on adding additional information to their product descriptions regarding pH sensitivity and light reactiveness for all of their products. While it is not there currently, it is coming soon. This is to help customers pick products up front and keep them informed on how to use their products. I cannot say that I have seen any other company is offering this type of information.

It's definitely imbalanced pH, he's using Polymethyl methacrylate tubing, aka hardline acrylic tubing.

No chance for plasticizers there.
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It's definitely imbalanced pH, he's using Polymethyl methacrylate tubing, aka hardline acrylic tubing.

No chance for plasticizers there.

Very true... didn't look at the pic close enough before
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