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noramly its vinegar followed by bicarb then water, in that order.
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Making me worried that this will happen to my full copper alphacool rads too frown.gif.
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Making me worried that this will happen to my full copper alphacool rads too frown.gif.

You should be good as long as you have the air out as 15goudreau said.

I find that after fist filling the loop, for the next month or so I turn up the RPM on my pump to max about once a week and get a bunch of bubbles.

There are tiny bubbles in the water and stuck in blocks that settle over time. If you don't have a bleed valve on your rad in key places its a good idea to turn up your pump every so often to make sure they haven't collected somewhere (usually the top rad, or highest point of your loop). This is a lot easier with a PWM controlled pump.
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Somebody call this guy a wambulance. Bottom line you didn't do your homework. I had the same bottles you did with the same labels and I don't have any problems because I bothered to research the subject before I purchased and used the product.

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Mick you might want to put a warning label on the bottle so people know not to use it as automotive coolant, dish washing detergent, or an enema. I did my due diligence but now my car is broken and I'm in the hospital getting a colonoscopy. Please send me free stuff. Thanks!

lol

I have trouble finding any other company that is going to hold the end user at fault for following the directions on their product and getting an unsatisfactory result. You guys can try to marginalize and discredit my experience, but that's the bottom line. I followed the directions and the product did not perform.

Mayhems flat out labeled me as incompetent and literally told me 'let me Google that for you' and you guys think that is an acceptable response from a product representative? That's unbelievable. That type of attitude is a more significant detractor than the awful performance of the product itself. It's not just me- other people I have shared my experience with think that his demeanor was poor, too. You think EVGA is going to tell me that? Corsair? EK? Not a chance. Why? Because its 100% unprofessional.

It's fine Mayhems doesn't want to supply me with any product, they aren't the only coolant manufacturers out there and I am enjoying my experience with generic distilled. However, it would behoove them to update their literature since I am sure that I am not the only one to have a poor experience with their product. Working on your people skills could help a ton, too.
 
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I have trouble finding any other company that is going to hold the end user at fault for following the directions on their product and getting an unsatisfactory result. You guys can try to marginalize and discredit my experience, but that's the bottom line. I followed the directions and the product did not perform.

Mayhems flat out labeled me as incompetent and literally told me 'let me Google that for you' and you guys think that is an acceptable response from a product representative? That's unbelievable. That type of attitude is a more significant detractor than the awful performance of the product itself. It's not just me- other people I have shared my experience with think that his demeanor was poor, too. You think EVGA is going to tell me that? Corsair? EK? Not a chance. Why? Because its 100% unprofessional.

It's fine Mayhems doesn't want to supply me with any product, they aren't the only coolant manufacturers out there and I am enjoying my experience with generic distilled. However, it would behoove them to update their literature since I am sure that I am not the only one to have a poor experience with their product. Working on your people skills could help a ton, too.

When you buy a car the vehicle lets you know when its low on oil or you need more air in a tire, but it doesn't tell you how to actually drive. In much the same way the directions on the bottle tell you how to use that product but it does not tell you how to maintain your water system. It is not Mayhem's responsibility, it's yours, plain and simple. You are running an advanced water cooling system in a very expensive machine, there is simply no reason not have researched everything thoroughly enough to discover basic maintenance guides. If you can't understand that concept then I'm sorry and this will have to be the last comment of yours I will even bother to read.
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In less than 30 days the coolant went from normal to awful. How is that a fault of poor maintenance? What coolant requires maintenance less than 30 days after adding? Less than 60? 90?
 
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I have trouble finding any other company that is going to hold the end user at fault for following the directions on their product and getting an unsatisfactory result. You guys can try to marginalize and discredit my experience, but that's the bottom line. I followed the directions and the product did not perform.

Mayhems flat out labeled me as incompetent and literally told me 'let me Google that for you' and you guys think that is an acceptable response from a product representative? That's unbelievable. That type of attitude is a more significant detractor than the awful performance of the product itself. It's not just me- other people I have shared my experience with think that his demeanor was poor, too. You think EVGA is going to tell me that? Corsair? EK? Not a chance. Why? Because its 100% unprofessional.

It's fine Mayhems doesn't want to supply me with any product, they aren't the only coolant manufacturers out there and I am enjoying my experience with generic distilled. However, it would behoove them to update their literature since I am sure that I am not the only one to have a poor experience with their product. Working on your people skills could help a ton, too.

I think that you would have been a lot better off if you admitted some user end fault. You said you followed the instructions to a T but clearly that isn't the case because more than likely your radiators are what cause the issue. Also saying you don't have time or resources... resources to buy pH strips, really? How much can they be on amazon 5$? Compared to the coolant you bought and the fact that you are water cooling means that if you can't spare 5$ something is majorly wrong. Also if you don't have time to maintain your system, maybe watercooling isn't for you.

Other people came in and admitted fault and mayhem gave them a replacement hassle free. However you took no responsibility and started coming in like this thread owed you something and that you were entitled to a replacement.

While yes there is probably error on Mayhems end for not directly specifying that pH can mess with coolant, I feel as though your due diligence was not completed by completely flushing your radiators or doing enough research to make sure you didn't encounter problems. I think the fact that the majority of people don't have issues speaks enough to the success of Mayhem's product and the fact that most of us do lots of research before buying a product. You could have also posted before hand as a quick check detailing the process you went through and if you were good to add your coolant.

This thread is almost always on the first page of the Watercooling forum as well so there really isn't any excuse as to why you couldn't have found it up until now.

I'm sure you are a good guy who feels like you should have your product replaced. If you read through the entire thread you would know just how awesome Mayhem is and what an upstanding person he is. I think there is fault on both ends but if you really think that all the blame lays on Mayhem, then there really isn't much any of us are going to do for you.
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There's also the fact that a properly flushed loop should be Ph neutral, and it's up to the user to make sure his or her loop is clean. From my limited understanding having air bubbles trapped in copper radiators can also lead to ph imbalances, but once again if this happens it's the fault of the user for not properly bleeding the loop. There is a plethora of information and best practices regarding Mayhems coolant right here in this thread. If you run into issues, chances are it's due to user error, not a faulty product.

Sorry you had issues with the coolant, that really sucks. But come on, it's most likely the cheapest part in your entire computer... how difficult would it really be to just take it as a learning experience and buy another bottle or switch to another coolant?
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There's also the fact that a properly flushed loop should be Ph neutral, and it's up to the user to make sure his or her loop is clean. From my limited understanding having air bubbles trapped in copper radiators can also lead to ph imbalances, but once again if this happens it's the fault of the user for not properly bleeding the loop. There is a plethora of information and best practices regarding Mayhems coolant right here in this thread. If you run into issues, chances are it's due to user error, not a faulty product.

Sorry you had issues with the coolant, that really sucks. But come on, it's most likely the cheapest part in your entire computer... how difficult would it really be to just take it as a learning experience and buy another bottle or switch to another coolant?

I think you may be confusing two separate posters wink.gif. Although theonedub's issue may have came from tarnish, it was most likely a pH imbalance where as syan had tarnish in his radiators.
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Whoops, yeah got confused lol
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