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7/27/12 at 4:26pm

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So I noticed this thing about my mouse (razer deathadder), where if you have a palm grip your index finger pushes down at the end of the button causing a slight delay over pressing at the middle of the button, this is because your index finger bends the material and then the material ends up pressing the button underneath the cover. But if you press in the middle of the button it presses directly on the actual button underneath. But when I configure my hand to press directly on the button for a faster click, the grip is loose and i make mistakes or I dont get my aim perfectly. I play FPS shooters and timing is everything, i know I click faster when i click towards the actual button. Does anybody know about any mouse where this is not an issue? or is designed for speedier clicks?

this may help explain what im talking about:

CPU	Motherboard	Graphics	RAM
Intel i7-3770k	ASUS MAXIMUS V GENE Z77	2x Galaxy GeForce GTX 680 SLI	G.Skill Ripjaws X Series
Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Cooling
2x Samsung 830 SSD RAID 0	Western Digital Cavier Black HDD	Seagate Backup Plus External	Corsair H100
Cooling	Cooling	Cooling	OS
2x 120mm Green LED Case Fan	200mm Green LED Case Fan	1x COUGAR CF-V12HP Vortex	Windows 7
Monitor	Monitor	Keyboard	Power
Samsung S23A700D 23" 1920x1080 @ 120Hz	SAMSUNG S23B300B Black 23" 1020x1080 @ 60Hz	Rosewill MX Cherry Brown Switch	NZXT Hale82 750w
Case	Mouse	Mouse Pad	Audio
HAF 912	Razer Deathadder	Mionix Sargas 900	Logitech Surround Sound 5.1 (Exterior Speaker S...
Audio	Other
Logitech G35 7.1 Headset	HAF 912 Advanced Windowed Panel
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AMD A4-3300 Llano	GIGABYTE GA-A75M-D2H	AMD Radeon HD 6410D	Crucial Ballistix Sport
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Crucial M4	External Hard Disk	LITE-ON	Stock CPU heatsink fan
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CPU	Motherboard	Graphics	RAM
Intel i7-3770k	ASUS MAXIMUS V GENE Z77	2x Galaxy GeForce GTX 680 SLI	G.Skill Ripjaws X Series
Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Cooling
2x Samsung 830 SSD RAID 0	Western Digital Cavier Black HDD	Seagate Backup Plus External	Corsair H100
Cooling	Cooling	Cooling	OS
2x 120mm Green LED Case Fan	200mm Green LED Case Fan	1x COUGAR CF-V12HP Vortex	Windows 7
Monitor	Monitor	Keyboard	Power
Samsung S23A700D 23" 1920x1080 @ 120Hz	SAMSUNG S23B300B Black 23" 1020x1080 @ 60Hz	Rosewill MX Cherry Brown Switch	NZXT Hale82 750w
Case	Mouse	Mouse Pad	Audio
HAF 912	Razer Deathadder	Mionix Sargas 900	Logitech Surround Sound 5.1 (Exterior Speaker S...
Audio	Other
Logitech G35 7.1 Headset	HAF 912 Advanced Windowed Panel
View all

CPU	Motherboard	Graphics	RAM
AMD A4-3300 Llano	GIGABYTE GA-A75M-D2H	AMD Radeon HD 6410D	Crucial Ballistix Sport
Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Optical Drive	Cooling
Crucial M4	External Hard Disk	LITE-ON	Stock CPU heatsink fan
Monitor	Power	Case
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7/27/12 at 4:31pm

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This shouldn't bother you all that much, if I am correct the hz on your screen will probably be around 60 hz or so and will cause more delay than plastic bending over a microswitch.

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7/27/12 at 4:32pm

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actually I play with 120hz and it does bother me a lot

CPU	Motherboard	Graphics	RAM
Intel i7-3770k	ASUS MAXIMUS V GENE Z77	2x Galaxy GeForce GTX 680 SLI	G.Skill Ripjaws X Series
Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Cooling
2x Samsung 830 SSD RAID 0	Western Digital Cavier Black HDD	Seagate Backup Plus External	Corsair H100
Cooling	Cooling	Cooling	OS
2x 120mm Green LED Case Fan	200mm Green LED Case Fan	1x COUGAR CF-V12HP Vortex	Windows 7
Monitor	Monitor	Keyboard	Power
Samsung S23A700D 23" 1920x1080 @ 120Hz	SAMSUNG S23B300B Black 23" 1020x1080 @ 60Hz	Rosewill MX Cherry Brown Switch	NZXT Hale82 750w
Case	Mouse	Mouse Pad	Audio
HAF 912	Razer Deathadder	Mionix Sargas 900	Logitech Surround Sound 5.1 (Exterior Speaker S...
Audio	Other
Logitech G35 7.1 Headset	HAF 912 Advanced Windowed Panel
View all

CPU	Motherboard	Graphics	RAM
AMD A4-3300 Llano	GIGABYTE GA-A75M-D2H	AMD Radeon HD 6410D	Crucial Ballistix Sport
Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Optical Drive	Cooling
Crucial M4	External Hard Disk	LITE-ON	Stock CPU heatsink fan
Monitor	Power	Case
Windows 7 Home Premium	Antec 350W	eMachines T3104
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CPU	Motherboard	Graphics	RAM
Intel i7-3770k	ASUS MAXIMUS V GENE Z77	2x Galaxy GeForce GTX 680 SLI	G.Skill Ripjaws X Series
Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Cooling
2x Samsung 830 SSD RAID 0	Western Digital Cavier Black HDD	Seagate Backup Plus External	Corsair H100
Cooling	Cooling	Cooling	OS
2x 120mm Green LED Case Fan	200mm Green LED Case Fan	1x COUGAR CF-V12HP Vortex	Windows 7
Monitor	Monitor	Keyboard	Power
Samsung S23A700D 23" 1920x1080 @ 120Hz	SAMSUNG S23B300B Black 23" 1020x1080 @ 60Hz	Rosewill MX Cherry Brown Switch	NZXT Hale82 750w
Case	Mouse	Mouse Pad	Audio
HAF 912	Razer Deathadder	Mionix Sargas 900	Logitech Surround Sound 5.1 (Exterior Speaker S...
Audio	Other
Logitech G35 7.1 Headset	HAF 912 Advanced Windowed Panel
View all

CPU	Motherboard	Graphics	RAM
AMD A4-3300 Llano	GIGABYTE GA-A75M-D2H	AMD Radeon HD 6410D	Crucial Ballistix Sport
Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Optical Drive	Cooling
Crucial M4	External Hard Disk	LITE-ON	Stock CPU heatsink fan
Monitor	Power	Case
Windows 7 Home Premium	Antec 350W	eMachines T3104
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7/27/12 at 5:22pm

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I can't see how that 0.001 second will ever help you, because the plastic shell is almost moved immediatly, then I would rather practice on reflexes. In this regard, playing with 500 hz would be a horrible idea and almost impossible. So I guess this just bothers you, because you think that it is making you a worse player, but actually it's all in your head and you need to train more at your game than trying to blame the little things. And a faster internet connection would also be nice to reduce that reaction time, because that would save you more times than the plastic in your Deathadder pressing the micro switch.

If you really have to fix anything, you can put something really tiny right above the microswitch tip or the shell that actually hits the microswitch, I would say something the size of 0.5-1mm in height.

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7/27/12 at 5:40pm

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I'm not sure if there really is a difference cause at the edge of the button you need less actuaction force cause of the lever.

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7/27/12 at 5:42pm

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I don't think it makes me a worse player, in fact I know I'm a great player with or with out it. I just clearly notice a difference when I click at the end of the mouse versus right over the switch. Just looking to improve anyway I can. Maybe its just that my mouse is 2 years old, but I can notice a clear difference.

CPU	Motherboard	Graphics	RAM
Intel i7-3770k	ASUS MAXIMUS V GENE Z77	2x Galaxy GeForce GTX 680 SLI	G.Skill Ripjaws X Series
Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Cooling
2x Samsung 830 SSD RAID 0	Western Digital Cavier Black HDD	Seagate Backup Plus External	Corsair H100
Cooling	Cooling	Cooling	OS
2x 120mm Green LED Case Fan	200mm Green LED Case Fan	1x COUGAR CF-V12HP Vortex	Windows 7
Monitor	Monitor	Keyboard	Power
Samsung S23A700D 23" 1920x1080 @ 120Hz	SAMSUNG S23B300B Black 23" 1020x1080 @ 60Hz	Rosewill MX Cherry Brown Switch	NZXT Hale82 750w
Case	Mouse	Mouse Pad	Audio
HAF 912	Razer Deathadder	Mionix Sargas 900	Logitech Surround Sound 5.1 (Exterior Speaker S...
Audio	Other
Logitech G35 7.1 Headset	HAF 912 Advanced Windowed Panel
View all

CPU	Motherboard	Graphics	RAM
AMD A4-3300 Llano	GIGABYTE GA-A75M-D2H	AMD Radeon HD 6410D	Crucial Ballistix Sport
Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Optical Drive	Cooling
Crucial M4	External Hard Disk	LITE-ON	Stock CPU heatsink fan
Monitor	Power	Case
Windows 7 Home Premium	Antec 350W	eMachines T3104
View all

hide details

CPU	Motherboard	Graphics	RAM
Intel i7-3770k	ASUS MAXIMUS V GENE Z77	2x Galaxy GeForce GTX 680 SLI	G.Skill Ripjaws X Series
Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Cooling
2x Samsung 830 SSD RAID 0	Western Digital Cavier Black HDD	Seagate Backup Plus External	Corsair H100
Cooling	Cooling	Cooling	OS
2x 120mm Green LED Case Fan	200mm Green LED Case Fan	1x COUGAR CF-V12HP Vortex	Windows 7
Monitor	Monitor	Keyboard	Power
Samsung S23A700D 23" 1920x1080 @ 120Hz	SAMSUNG S23B300B Black 23" 1020x1080 @ 60Hz	Rosewill MX Cherry Brown Switch	NZXT Hale82 750w
Case	Mouse	Mouse Pad	Audio
HAF 912	Razer Deathadder	Mionix Sargas 900	Logitech Surround Sound 5.1 (Exterior Speaker S...
Audio	Other
Logitech G35 7.1 Headset	HAF 912 Advanced Windowed Panel
View all

CPU	Motherboard	Graphics	RAM
AMD A4-3300 Llano	GIGABYTE GA-A75M-D2H	AMD Radeon HD 6410D	Crucial Ballistix Sport
Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Optical Drive	Cooling
Crucial M4	External Hard Disk	LITE-ON	Stock CPU heatsink fan
Monitor	Power	Case
Windows 7 Home Premium	Antec 350W	eMachines T3104
View all

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7/27/12 at 6:19pm

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Then it's probably the actuation force difference that is bothering you. Because that is the only major difference.

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