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Poll Results: Which block will win?

Poll expired: Sep 16, 2012  
  • 1% (3)
    Alphacool NexXxos XP3
  • 0% (2)
    Bitspower Summit HF
  • 1% (5)
    Danger Den M6
  • 2% (6)
    DT 5Noz
  • 7% (20)
    DT Sniper
  • 10% (26)
    EK Supreme HF Rev 4 (Full Nickel)
  • 17% (46)
    EK Supremacy (Nicekl/Plexi)
  • 8% (22)
    Koolance CPU-370 Rev 1.1
  • 1% (5)
    MIPS IceForce HF
  • 11% (29)
    Swiftech Apogee HD
  • 0% (1)
    Phobya UC1-LT
  • 6% (16)
    Watercool Heatkiller 3.0
  • 1% (3)
    XSPC Rasa
  • 13% (35)
    XSPC Raystorm
  • 14% (37)
    XSPC Raystorm Full Copper
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post #241 of 603
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Originally Posted by wermad View Post

EK takes care of those for you. Im very familiar with water cooling and EK blocks. I can clearly see you're not too familiar with water cooling so I'll let you tango on your own. Good luck thumb.gif

First of all lets keep this friendly there is no need to make claims about someone elses experience when we dont know that person.

Well the supremacy is a good comparison because Ek expects you to change jetplates if you want the best performance. In my opinion, and it is just an opinion after all I'm not claiming this is truth or fact, but changing a jetplate has similar risk to installing this block. You might forget or misalign the o ring in both cases. I'm not saying this to defend DT, he has posted his own comments. In my opinion if you're water cooling you shouldn't be scared to open up a block, and you should be comfortable putting it back together and leak testing after. But that's me I suppose I'm an engineer and like to see and understand how things work and fit together. If I didn't feel that way I would have stuck with a h100 or similar. Like I said its not a block for everyone, and it's one that will cause some gut responses from people but if you're the type to open up a block and put it back together then I wouldn't be scared off because of how this block mounts and seals smile.gif

Let's see how the block performs first, I'll give my honest opinion of mounting it and you can make an informed decision of whether it's worthwhile to you or not smile.gif
     
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post #242 of 603
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Originally Posted by wermad View Post

EK takes care of those for you. Im very familiar with water cooling and EK blocks. I can clearly see you're not too familiar with water cooling so I'll let you tango on your own. Good luck thumb.gif
I am obviously not familiar with water cooling equipment as I have not developed the ability to change jet plates without opening the unit.

Normally people have to change the jet plate by opening the unit.
Here's a source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3QWajDfwew&feature=plcp

You actually have to change the seals on it, which means that it will no longer have that factory leak testing, so you have to test it yourself. As long as you leak test either properly, there won't be a serious risk.
post #243 of 603
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Originally Posted by stren View Post

First of all lets keep this friendly there is no need to make claims about someone elses experience when we dont know that person.
Well the supremacy is a good comparison because Ek expects you to change jetplates if you want the best performance. In my opinion, and it is just an opinion after all I'm not claiming this is truth or fact, but changing a jetplate has similar risk to installing this block. You might forget or misalign the o ring in both cases. I'm not saying this to defend DT, he has posted his own comments. In my opinion if you're water cooling you shouldn't be scared to open up a block, and you should be comfortable putting it back together and leak testing after. But that's me I suppose I'm an engineer and like to see and understand how things work and fit together. If I didn't feel that way I would have stuck with a h100 or similar. Like I said its not a block for everyone, and it's one that will cause some gut responses from people but if you're the type to open up a block and put it back together then I wouldn't be scared off because of how this block mounts and seals smile.gif
Let's see how the block performs first, I'll give my honest opinion of mounting it and you can make an informed decision of whether it's worthwhile to you or not smile.gif

I owned three EK blocks and not once did I change the plate. They actually put the best performing one in there for you. I think the plates was just a silly gimmick. Had this been a major change, we would have seen Koolance, Swiftech, and others jump on this idea. If you want to change the block to compare to the DT, you can pick any other block to compare to DT and you still have two vs three seals. Lets not try to dig up any little detail to defend DT. Again, just pointing out the obvious things, not saying EK is the best (haha, you don't know what happened between them and me biggrin.gif).


I did want to ask you if you had asked Swiftech about their block with the built in pump? Just wondering how that one would compare with the Apogee HD and the others.

Oh, I'm sorry, but I won't carry on a conversation with members (Art Vanelay) that are not providing anything meaningful to the conversation. Someone pointing this out a few posts back. I'm just acknowledging I don't get what he's saying and will not continue. Plain and simple.
post #244 of 603
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Originally Posted by wermad View Post

I owned three EK blocks and not once did I change the plate. They actually put the best performing one in there for you. I think the plates was just a silly gimmick. Had this been a major change, we would have seen Koolance, Swiftech, and others jump on this idea. If you want to change the block to compare to the DT, you can pick any other block to compare to DT and you still have two vs three seals. Lets not try to dig up any little detail to defend DT. Again, just pointing out the obvious things, not saying EK is the best (haha, you don't know what happened between them and me biggrin.gif).
I did want to ask you if you had asked Swiftech about their block with the built in pump? Just wondering how that one would compare with the Apogee HD and the others.
Oh, I'm sorry, but I won't carry on a conversation with members (Art Vanelay) that are not providing anything meaningful to the conversation. Someone pointing this out a few posts back. I'm just acknowledging I don't get what he's saying and will not continue. Plain and simple.
...I'm saying the same things as Stren.

I'm not really defending the DT, I am just saying that the risk associated with it is not that significant.
post #245 of 603
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I owned three EK blocks and not once did I change the plate. They actually put the best performing one in there for you. I think the plates was just a silly gimmick. Had this been a major change, we would have seen Koolance, Swiftech, and others jump on this idea. If you want to change the block to compare to the DT, you can pick any other block to compare to DT and you still have two vs three seals. Lets not try to dig up any little detail to defend DT. Again, just pointing out the obvious things, not saying EK is the best (haha, you don't know what happened between them and me biggrin.gif).
I did want to ask you if you had asked Swiftech about their block with the built in pump? Just wondering how that one would compare with the Apogee HD and the others.
Oh, I'm sorry, but I won't carry on a conversation with members (Art Vanelay) that are not providing anything meaningful to the conversation. Someone pointing this out a few posts back. I'm just acknowledging I don't get what he's saying and will not continue. Plain and simple.

For the supremacy I believe it ships with a general jetplate while for both ivy and SB-e the instructions recommend you change it. The dd m6 block is even more aggressive with its shims where thy supply about 11 different shims which are basically the same thing as a jetplate to fine tune bow and hence performance. So Ek aren't on their own with the idea smile.gif

As you point out clearly not everyone is comfortable opening a block, if you're not then you won't be comfortable with this new dt block. However for people who are then their risk shouldn't particularly change in comparison to opening a block for maintenance or changing a jetplate smile.gif
     
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post #246 of 603
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For the supremacy I believe it ships with a general jetplate while for both ivy and SB-e the instructions recommend you change it. The dd m6 block is even more aggressive with its shims where thy supply about 11 different shims which are basically the same thing as a jetplate to fine tune bow and hence performance. So Ek aren't on their own with the idea smile.gif
As you point out clearly not everyone is comfortable opening a block, if you're not then you won't be comfortable with this new dt block. However for people who are then their risk shouldn't particularly change in comparison to opening a block for maintenance or changing a jetplate smile.gif


Interesting to know that DD is including plates thinking.gif




Here's an oldie but a beauty biggrin.gif (in terms of computer age wink.gif ):

post #247 of 603
I leak test my loop out of the case. Obviously, this block that does not seal until mounted to the CPU will not allow that. For my process, it won't work.

Another aspect. If a leak is detected at the CPU, entire loop must be drained to address.

Even if properly drained, there is a very good chance of some water escaping and getting on the MB, resulting in an even longer wait to full power up, as you should let everything sit to ensure it is completely dry. I would propose that this would be a good practice with this block even if some spillage is not detected, just in case. With standard blocks, you have the width of the plate itself to reveal any leaks. Not so here.

More risk? Absolutely. Will it work for all? No way. Worth it? Depends on the individual. Wait a minute, that applies to almost all things.
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post #248 of 603
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I leak test my loop out of the case. Obviously, this block that does not seal until mounted to the CPU will not allow that. For my process, it won't work.

More risk? Absolutely. Will it work for all? No way. Worth it? Depends on the individual. Wait a minute, that applies to almost all things.

Great point! I didn't think it was that bad but I never realized you cannot do a proper leak test. Even though I am comfortable opening up a block I would prefer to use a regular block to this. Just not for me but hey if someone is confident enough to use it then go ahead! It don't bother me none
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post #249 of 603
Watercooling in and of itself is dangerous, this DT bock just has more of it. If you can't handle it, then leave it at that. No body is forcing it on you lol.
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Direct die (no coldplate) block isn't something new, my buddies played with that in early 2000: https://slo-tech.com/clanki/ocp3/ocp3.shtml
Inneficient due to lack of heat transfer surface area.
    
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