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Poll Results: Which block will win?

Poll expired: Sep 16, 2012  
  • 1% (3)
    Alphacool NexXxos XP3
  • 0% (2)
    Bitspower Summit HF
  • 1% (5)
    Danger Den M6
  • 2% (6)
    DT 5Noz
  • 7% (20)
    DT Sniper
  • 10% (26)
    EK Supreme HF Rev 4 (Full Nickel)
  • 17% (46)
    EK Supremacy (Nicekl/Plexi)
  • 8% (22)
    Koolance CPU-370 Rev 1.1
  • 1% (5)
    MIPS IceForce HF
  • 11% (29)
    Swiftech Apogee HD
  • 0% (1)
    Phobya UC1-LT
  • 6% (16)
    Watercool Heatkiller 3.0
  • 1% (3)
    XSPC Rasa
  • 13% (35)
    XSPC Raystorm
  • 14% (37)
    XSPC Raystorm Full Copper
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post #591 of 603
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Originally Posted by cpachris View Post

I see you've "edited" out your initial dialog regarding the fee that OCN is wanting to charge you. If I were you...I wouldn't pay it. Especially if you are already posting on other forums and operating your own site. It will be OCN's loss...but unless some of the more aggressive admins get some pushback on policies like this, it won't ever change. They recently terminated the thread I had on the custom AE11 waterblock, because of the chance that nateman_doo might have profited from it. they wanted him to pay $250 artisan fee. geez.
Maybe I'm missing the big picture. Maybe. But it seems like they are discouraging some helpful content for members by requiring fees like these.

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What fee u guys talking about? I don't get it - nothing in this thread is "fee-worthy" imo... dont take it the wrong way stren, lol.
This is exactly what cpachris said: helpful content.

Thanks for the support guys, I edited things because it seems that this will be discussed again with OCN management and I don't want posts to get deleted and/or whole threads to get taken with them. I'll let you know the end result, for now let's hold off commenting until we know more smile.gif Maybe a sponsoring vendor will agree to pay it, maybe OCN will adjust their policy.
     
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post #592 of 603
I have to say I'm really impressed with Swiftech's Apogee HD. If it beats the Koolance 380i on the indigo extreme results then I have no reason not to buy the Apogee HD. To me it seems to be the most well-rounded when it comes to "the complete package". But I like the looks of the 380i better. The Raystorm(s) while worthy of being on my short list most likely will not net a purchase from me.
Edited by Neo Zuko - 11/1/12 at 7:18am
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post #593 of 603
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I have to say I'm really impressed with Swiftech's Apogee HD. If it beats the Koolance 380i on the indigo extreme results then I have no reason not to buy the Apogee HD. To me it seems to be the most well-rounded when it comes to "the complete package". But I like the looks of the 380i better. The Raystorm(s) while worthy of being on my short list most likely will not net a purchase from me.

Glad you're heading towards a decision. The 380 reflow problems I was having was a result of thermal shock i.e. the TIM reflows but then cools too rapidly meaning that the TIM doesn't form a single united phase and instead forms multiple "phases" which can lead to poor thermal conductivity. My statement that the reflow was bad was really incorrect because the reflow itself was fine. The IX team has given me some modified instructions to try and if it works they'll be used as the default going forward. The problem is that each block has a different heat capacity, water capacity and heat "flow" meaning that each has unique characteristics before, during and after reflow. Coming up with a method that works well on all blocks with such a large IHS as 2011 is tricky. However we've made considerably progress on this and I think we have it now. I'll be starting testing the 380 again tonight so my fingers will be crossed for a good result smile.gif
     
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post #594 of 603
Any chance of a video showing the reflow process? Some cheat sheet notes? I'll be trying this for the first time in about a week. Would love some advice.
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So the 380 cools "too fast"? When I hear that, on top of the reflow instructions which basically state that after the temps come back up after the "dip" to shut the stressing program down and not turn the pump on until the CPU temps hit 60C, that sounds a little crazy to me. So basically with no pump/water flow this block is able to get from 90C to 60C "too fast". Isn't that a good problem to have in general? None the less that does make sense as to what the cause of the problem was with IX.
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post #596 of 603
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Any chance of a video showing the reflow process? Some cheat sheet notes? I'll be trying this for the first time in about a week. Would love some advice.

Hey Chris

Yes I'll be making one. I have one made for the old version of the instructions lol. Hopefully this works and after the 380 I'll do the mips and alphcool blocks next (I'm trying to do top performers first as those are more likely to bought)
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So the 380 cools "too fast"? When I hear that, on top of the reflow instructions which basically state that after the temps come back up after the "dip" to shut the stressing program down and not turn the pump on until the CPU temps hit 60C, that sounds a little crazy to me. So basically with no pump/water flow this block is able to get from 90C to 60C "too fast". Isn't that a good problem to have in general? None the less that does make sense as to what the cause of the problem was with IX.

Effectively yes, the full metal blocks have an easier time I think because the heat capacity is higher and you can see this in the reflow. This means the TIM gets cooled less quickly. On the raystorm full copper it takes forever to start reflowing and then heat back to up to 90C. Because the reflow takes longer the water in the block gets heated up for longer and so the block itself is hotter after turn off prime.

If you're worried about the process it's very useful to take a "before" number with MX2 so that you have a baseline of performance that you should beat by 2-3C, that way you know when you have a good reflow. Hopefully all this work I'm doing will take out the guesswork of it all smile.gif
     
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post #597 of 603
What is the best TIM anyway, that MX2 you are using? I've been doing Noctua, but I could switch. Found Geild Extreme 3 too hard to spread.

Just realized that my system will have over $500 in just waterblocks lol. Updated my signature rig, but still can't add pics anymore.

And I have made quite a few decisions already by the way. I have most of my build set, just finalized 3/8" ID 5/8" OD Duralene Tubing, doing PT Nuke and distilled, getting that MIPS RIVE block after all, going chrome Swiftech fittings with Swiftech Maelstrom res, MCP35X2, I have my dual aqua computer blocked msi 680 lightnings already, my 3930K and AX1200i, Samsung 840 Pro SSD, the rest of the PC parts are all done, my 17 GT AP15 Fanned SM8 case, 3 Black Ice SR1 Rads, it's going to be a awesome system!!

I just need that 380i block to do well with indigo extreme. But if not I can get that Apogee HD. We wouldn't even be having this conversation if I could buy that Apogee HD Gold limited-edition!! Can't wait for the new results.
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My apologies to all following this thread; after speaking with our site owner there are specific rules on content and advertising that are broken by having this content posted as is here and as such the thread cannot remain open. It won't have to be deleted, but I will be closing this after I've finished up this post. Stren has been fully informed of the circumstances via PM prior to this post/lock, and I felt it fair to inform those keeping track of this issue as well that we won't be changing our sponsored threads policy anytime soon (these are for builds, not reviews), nor will we be creating an exemption for this sort of situation in the near future, if ever.

Thanks for your understanding.

Edit; temporarily unlocked to allow Stren to make more proper edits. Locking again after that's done.
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So no more review threads on OCN?
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