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That is kind of true, but the way games are coded right now (generally speaking) they only utilize two cores on a cpu, regardless of how many cores there are, which is why with the current generation of games, there is very little difference in FPS when between an overclocked i5-2500k quad core and an overclocked i7-3960x hexacore with 12 threads and that is because only two of those cores are actually being used, and the performance per core is already high enough to satisfy all gaming requirements, even in the i5 range. This is why people on the board are recommending the ivy bridge i5 over the i7, because all that you get for your extra $100 with the i7, is "hyperthreading" which helps applications which handle lots of cores very well. Gaming, as mentioned above is exactly the kind of application which AS OF YET, does not benefit from extra threads or extra cores.
All that being said, the best "long term" cpu would be the i7-3930k which is a 6 core 12 thread processor, but it probably isn't an intelligent purchase for you as it costs $500 and games probably won't make use of 6 cores for another few years. That's speculation, but the point is, you can spend more money and hope for futureproofness, but that all depends on whether game designers will begin to program for multiple cores, or if they will continue using 1 and 2 core style programming as they have for a long time. Long story short, I would recommend an i5-2500k or i5-3570k (which even after 5 years might let you play on medium-high settings in good fps ranges [again, phenom II x4 processors are still decent today and they came out january 2009])
/endrant
edit: also, as far as the motherboard goes, It's not like a mid-range motherboard will affect your experience with the machine, AT ALL. As long as the board has overclocking features, enough VRM's (8 is the standard nowadays), and the inputs/outputs that you need for your hardware, you will be totally absolutely A-OK. The maximus extremes and whatnot are tempting, but in the end, they won't offer you any benefit in any scenario whatsoever. Just make sure the manufacturer is reputable and that it has what you need.

Great post, thank you for the time you put into that +rep and noted =)
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I don't recommend ASUS Sabertooth for your build because in 3 years HD7970 will not be able to max out everything and I think you will have to change both CPU and mobo.
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($85.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($43.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Crucial M4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($429.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($95.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS424-98 DVD/CD Writer ($29.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: SAMSUNG S23A700D Black 23" 2ms 3D Capable LED-Backlit LCD Monitor ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Total: 1510.88

If a new gen of cards comes out i will be able to put them into my z77 mobo right? So if that card doesnt max in 3 years i just need to update my card?

Edit: Also like to let you guys know i opened up a new thread int he mobo section to get a few more suggetions and make up my mind. http://www.overclock.net/t/1287884/building-a-new-gaming-computer-going-with-a-i5-3570k-need-a-motherboard
Edited by Hyperion. - 7/29/12 at 1:18pm
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If a new gen of cards comes out i will be able to put them into my z77 mobo right? So if that card doesnt max in 3 years i just need to update my card?
Edit: Also like to let you guys know i opened up a new thread int he mobo section to get a few more suggetions and make up my mind. http://www.overclock.net/t/1287884/building-a-new-gaming-computer-going-with-a-i5-3570k-need-a-motherboard
yes you will be able to put in new cards into that motherboard. Those motherboards have the PCI 3.0 x16 lanes which are the newest available and those probably won't change for a while.
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Hey VW_TDI_02

Are there any other cpu fans you can post so i have a few to look at, or is that the best out?
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Hey VW_TDI_02
Are there any other cpu fans you can post so i have a few to look at, or is that the best out?

Coolers or fans? There are a bunch of different options.

Phanteks PH-TC14PE $89.99
Noctua NH-D14 $85.99
Silver Arrow $84.09
Archon $79.25
H100 $109.99

Out of those the only one I'm not a fan of is the H100. Also I'm off to work so I won't be back for another ~6-7 hours. Good luck
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In three years you won't need to replace your platform unless you insist on having the very best every year. Read what the guy above you said as it was well explained. In regards to your build, any reason why you went with the Ares as opposed to the Samsung RAM? Everything else looks pretty much the same as earlier builds.
I am quite a fan of G.Skill. I have never used any Samsung RAM, but I don't have anything against Samsung RAM. Maybe if a lots of people are recommending it, then topic starter can go with it.

I have read your other posts and you keep recommending green HDDs? why don't you just recommend Seagate's new 7200RPM 1TB per platter drive? They consume same power as green drives and are way faster than any other HDD on the market.
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In three years you won't need to replace your platform unless you insist on having the very best every year. Read what the guy above you said as it was well explained. In regards to your build, any reason why you went with the Ares as opposed to the Samsung RAM? Everything else looks pretty much the same as earlier builds.
I am quite a fan of G.Skill. I have never used any Samsung RAM, but I don't have anything against Samsung RAM. Maybe if a lots of people are recommending it, then topic starter can go with it.

I have read your other posts and you keep recommending green HDDs? why don't you just recommend Seagate's new 7200RPM 1TB per platter drive? They consume same power as green drives and are way faster than any other HDD on the market.
Um... because they cost more? Data drives don't need to be fast, they need to be big, and with he HDD price inflation going on, cheap.
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Um... because they cost more?
That's not true. New Seagate 1TB platter HDD costs less than Western Digital 1TB green drive.

Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EARS 1TB 5400 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive $99.99

Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive $89.99
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I am quite a fan of G.Skill. I have never used any Samsung RAM, but I don't have anything against Samsung RAM. Maybe if a lots of people are recommending it, then topic starter can go with it.
I have read your other posts and you keep recommending green HDDs? why don't you just recommend Seagate's new 7200RPM 1TB per platter drive? They consume same power as green drives and are way faster than any other HDD on the market.

The Samsung RAM have been found to be amazing overclockers. They typically can be pushed to around 1000MHz with relatively tight timings

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That's not true. New Seagate 1TB platter HDD costs less than Western Digital 1TB green drive.
Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EARS 1TB 5400 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive $99.99
Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive $89.99

Typically they are cheaper but also because of the reliability. Western Digital has always had very reliable drives while Seagate has not. When Seagate bought out Samsung people stopped buying the Samsung F3s. I've even seen people in the OCN Marketplace specifically looking for Samsung F3s that were bought prior to the takeover.
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Typically they are cheaper but also because of the reliability. Western Digital has always had very reliable drives while Seagate has not. When Seagate bought out Samsung people stopped buying the Samsung F3s. I've even seen people in the OCN Marketplace specifically looking for Samsung F3s that were bought prior to the takeover.
When Seagate bought out Samsung hard drive division, whatever happened to the factory where Samsung made their hard drives? Samsung kept their factory or Seagate moved production to their own factory?
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