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Originally Posted by tout View Post

That is kind of a misleading statement don't you think?
It's not very good to have a large amount of your system RAM being used while sitting at desktop. When you actually use a program that will need the RAM you will have freezing and stuttering in games and/or longer load times as the system tries to free up RAM.
Having a lot of free RAM is not a waste but rather an assurance that when you need it, it is there and your programs run smoothly in the process.
As for the OP situation, he does not have an issue unless he uses programs regularly that require more than his 70% of free RAM.
No, it's not in context. RAM sitting idle is opportunity for cache lost.

The OS knows which memory is use and which memory can be freed. When a process comes and requires memory, the OS will immediately start either moving the cache data to paging or dropping the data.


i.e. The OS caches Photoshop because you use it often. Suddenly, it identifies a process that is starting to use more and more RAM. The OS will just start dropping the Photoshop files it had cache. The difference to the end-user is negligible.
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That sir is a completely false and uninformed statement.
In reality it is in fact quite possible to identify and close down unnecessary applications. Programs doing exactly that have been around since the dawn of computing and are widely used by millions of people. I know, I have been one for them for a very long time. In reality programmers are able to "write some very impressive memory inspection software " and have been doing it for decades. Stating that this is impossible does not change this fact. What it means is that you either are not aware of what skilled programmers are capable of doing or that you are aware of it, and make false statements anyways.
How is it uninformed if we actually understand how memory works and can program a similar program?

This program is NOT a memory inspection program.... you don't even understand how it works. Do you have any idea how hard it is to write a 3rd memory inspection program? Seriously. It is VERY hard because the OS protects 3rd party applications from doing so! The OS randomizes the memory address space to prevent applications from taking a memory dump and decrypting data.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_protection
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_space_layout_randomization


To read data from memory, you basically have to use different hacking techniques. Once the memory is read.... you have to decode and analyze it. This is not easy stuff. I forgot the name of a Java attack technique where you fill memory up and force Java to write to addresses that you want...

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Here is an example of a 3rd party program that can identify and close down unnecessary applications.
It is using whitelists/blacklists... It knows what is running by a process listing. This is not memory inspection. rolleyes.gif

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Before engaging Gamebooster to shut down Print Spooler and other garbage, along with internet bandwidth whores like "javaupdater".
Print Spooler and most services would have been moved to paging anyways if you started to run out of memory. They also have lower priority than a foreground task so if you were CPU-bound.


The Java updater does not run that often.... it just checks for Java updates occasionally which is less than 1Kb of data. Also, Java updates themselves are not that large (500-2000Kb) once a few weeks.


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By clicking a single button created by the skilled programmers who created and constantly maintain Gamebooster, 400 Mb of RAM is instantly freed up.
MS developers are more skilled and have been at it for 30+ years..... The memory manager would free up RAM if it detected an application requiring more RAM anyways. All you did was kill some processes.... and wasting more RAM by not using it.
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It is using whitelists/blacklists... It knows what is running by a process listing. This is not memory inspection. rolleyes.gif

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