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that thing should be able to do on medium what PC has been capable to do on ultra for about 4 years now.

clearly you haven't heard of optimization...
    
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clearly you haven't heard of optimization...

I still don't think the hardware will be enough even with all those optimizations.

I really want to see a console game run at a native 1080p resolution, with AA + AF, and at 60fps. Oh, and look like BF3/Crysis 2 on ultra. I highly doubt they will be able too.

Consoles are made for dumbed down gaming. I really don't see them putting enough hardware in them to make them competative with PC's this time around.
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I still don't think the hardware will be enough even with all those optimizations.
I really want to see a console game run at a native 1080p resolution, with AA + AF, and at 60fps. Oh, and look like BF3/Crysis 2 on ultra. I highly doubt they will be able too.
Consoles are made for dumbed down gaming. I really don't see them putting enough hardware in them to make them competative with PC's this time around.

They will be able to achieve that easily, im sure.
Just look at uncharted 3 and the next halo game, optimization goes a long way, and next gen consoles will be at least 5x faster.
    
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It looks like a desktop, if those photos are real....
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They will be able to achieve that easily, im sure.
Just look at uncharted 3 and the next halo game, optimization goes a long way, and next gen consoles will be at least 5x faster.

Except those run at 720p or less resolution. Most likely don't have AA or AF, and probably 90% of the textures are low res except characters and weapons.

You are talking about increasing the resolution MORE than double, adding features like AA, AF, tesselation, and high resolution textures. I highly doubt these new consoles will be up to the task.

Not that it really even matters though, because by the time these so called "next gen" consoles are released the PC will have games that put BF3/Crysis 2 to shame.
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They will be able to achieve that easily, im sure.
Just look at uncharted 3 and the next halo game, optimization goes a long way, and next gen consoles will be at least 5x faster.



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It's real. I can't say exactly what the spec is but the dev kit I've seen has 8GB of RAM, so it would be a safe bet that the retail kit will have 4GB.


So, they are making the same mistake again ? RAM is cheap right now, why are they doing this mistake ? How long do they think 4 GB of RAM will last them even with all of the optimizations ? BF3 on the PC is already using more than 5 GB of RAM in some situations. Yes, it's on the PC, but it's a good indication of what is to come in a few years for the consoles.

And if they think the OS overhead is small now, then they should also rethink that because as the years advance people will want more and more services on the console, and now that the Xbox 360 is getting a web browser, many people might want a console to be able to do many of the same things they are able to do on a computer.

I remember in 2006 1 GB of DDR RAM cost me more or less € 100, now 8 GB of DDR 3 1600 costs € 49,80, while 4 GB of DDR3 1600 costs € 29,50. So, in 2006 the amount of RAM in the Xbox 360 cost (to a consumer going to a store, not to Microsoft that gets the chips in bulk much cheaper) more or less the same what 8 GB costs now, but they are going with something that costs even less. Back in 2005 / 2006 computers already came with 1 GB of RAM, and we all know how console game developers complain about insufficient RAM on the consoles now. Now, in 2012, computers are shipping with 8 GB of RAM. Why is it that I think this is not going to pan out well again ?
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So, they are making the same mistake again ? RAM is cheap right now, why are they doing this mistake ? How long do they think 4 GB of RAM will last them even with all of the optimizations ? BF3 on the PC is already using more than 5 GB of RAM in some situations. Yes, it's on the PC, but it's a good indication of what is to come in a few years for the consoles.
And if they think the OS overhead is small now, then they should also rethink that because as the years advance people will want more and more services on the console, and now that the Xbox 360 is getting a web browser, many people might want a console in order to be able to do many of the same things as they are able to do on a computer.
I remember in 2006 1 GB of DDR RAM cost me more or less € 100, now 8 GB of DDR 3 1600 costs € 49,80, while 4 GB of DDR3 1600 costs € 29,50. So, in 2006 the amount of RAM in the Xbox 360 cost (to a consumer going to a store, not to Microsoft that gets the chips in bulk much cheaper) more or less the same what 8 GB costs now, but they are going with something that costs even less. Back in 2005 / 2006 computers already came with 1 GB of RAM, and we all know how console game developers complain about insufficient RAM on the consoles now. Now, in 2012, computers are shipping with 8 GB of RAM. Why is it that I can foresee this not going well again ?
Because the consoles arent using DDR3 potentially. 8GB or 12GB is suffice, 4GB is kinda too, but id prefer 8gb+
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It looks like a desktop, if those photos are real....

It probably is (the size of a desktop I mean, I'm not sure if it's real). They don't have the hardware anywhere close to the point where a consumer would get it, so they find hardware very close to what they're expecting to use, regardless of its dimensions, and stuff it in a box/tower. PS3 SDKs were pretty big, looked like a blade server.

I can't find many pics out there of the PS3 SDK, but you can get an idea from this one, since it has the dual-shock 3 controller as a measurement reference.


Bear in mind, in that picture is the final SDK, not a prototype like developers would likely be using now for the next Xbox.
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It probably is. They don't have the hardware anywhere close to the point where a consumer would get it, so they find hardware very close to what they're expecting to use, regardless of its dimensions, and stuff it in a box/tower. PS3 SDKs were pretty big, looked like a blade server.
I can't find many pics out there of the PS3 SDK, but you can get an idea from this one, since it has the dual-shock 3 controller as a measurement reference.

Bear in mind, in that picture is the final SDK, not a prototype like developers would likely be using now for the next Xbox.
Ahh. So it starts like a desktop, and large, and progressively gets smaller? Or no?
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