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As for the fire hazard, I can't really imagine anything happening, I use some THICK wire that could easily handle the 12Volt 18Amp output of my PSU (on the 12volt rail). I'll make sure I be careful though.
I'm a bit confused about the 60Hz. If I am taking a reading from my PSU on the 12VDC rail using the appropriate black wire, why is there AC? Should that not be as close to perfect DC as possible? On the crap core2duo psu I didn't see any waves or patterns at all, nor do I see any on online tests of junk PSU's.

The wires in your wall carry 120VAC 60Hz and emit electromagnetic waves at 60Hz and its harmonics. These waves then travel through the air and are picked up by the wires and traces in electronics, which act like antennas. The 60Hz fundamental frequency is visible as a relatively slow oscillation, and most reviewers adjust the timescale so that it isn't visible. The harmonics are always visible unless you use a very well shielded probe, and they just act as background noise, typically 5-20mV, again depending on shielding. That's part of why the 0.1uf cap is used and the bandwidth is limited to 20Mhz on the scope, so the results aren't skewed by the very high frequency EMI caused by that and also by radio/telecom/TV broadcasts, which will always be present to some extent. We don't care about those factors, since that's picked up in the wires/cables, not int he PSU. We only care about the ripple generated by the PSU itself.

If you're skeptical about these effects, take a guitar amplifier, guitar, and a cheap instrument cable that isn't shielded, and go into a big city. Turn the gain up on the amp and then start moving the guitar around and loop the cable in various areas. Eventually you'll pick up a radio station. It's happened to me; playing guitar, then bam, crappy rap music coming out of my amp. And if you do the same thing near a high voltage power line, you'll get loud static and hum.
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Interesting, I'll have to try that if i ever have an amp! Is there any reasonable explanation for why I didn't get any 60Hz bleeding through when testing my junk psu in my core2duo?
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Interesting, I'll have to try that if i ever have an amp! Is there any reasonable explanation for why I didn't get any 60Hz bleeding through when testing my junk psu in my core2duo?

I'd need a picture of the scope output on various timescales to tell you.
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Save yourself from headaches and heartbreaks! PSU's are not all made the same or built with the best of components. You don't have to break the bank, but the PSU is the most important piece in your computer if it is going to be designed for gaming. Do not.....I repeat, DO NOT go cheap on the PSU. Now, this being said you don't have to throw your money away on a 1000w psu like some of these clowns, but get something of some worth in build quality. If you care about your computer, this is the one I would recommend. For what you are looking to do with out busting a nut all over your wallet this is one of the best bang for the bucks out there. I'm not going to bore you with all the specs and pros and cons. Remember a PSU is the last thing you want to upgrade later as you see your creation grow. A good PSU will stick with you longer than any of the other parts as your upgrade.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151088
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Save yourself from headaches and heartbreaks! PSU's are not all made the same or built with the best of components. You don't have to break the bank, but the PSU is the most important piece in your computer if it is going to be designed for gaming. Do not.....I repeat, DO NOT go cheap on the PSU. Now, this being said you don't have to throw your money away on a 1000w psu like some of these clowns, but get something of some worth in build quality. If you care about your computer, this is the one I would recommend. For what you are looking to do with out busting a nut all over your wallet this is one of the best bang for the bucks out there. I'm not going to bore you with all the specs and pros and cons. Remember a PSU is the last thing you want to upgrade later as you see your creation grow. A good PSU will stick with you longer than any of the other parts as your upgrade.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151088

Um thats just a tiny bit (twice as much) over my PSU budget. I think I'll stay with the Rosewill Green 630 Watt but thanks for the suggestion wink.gif +1
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Um thats just a tiny bit (twice as much) over my PSU budget. I think I'll stay with the Rosewill Green 630 Watt but thanks for the suggestion wink.gif +1

 

Not only is it over your budget, but the quality is just a bit of extreme overkill.  Yes, it's among the best on the market, but it's not like you're going to be doing extreme overclocking that requires sub-zero cooling like Liquid Nitrogen, Dry Ice, Phase Change, etc., and it's not like you're going to be dedicating your rig to 24/7 folding or BOINCing, so good grief, there's no need for a PSU of that caliber.

 

MoStyles:  there's nothing wrong with the 630W Rosewill Green Series PSU, especially for what EpicAMDGamer is using his computer for.  It's much more of a "bang for your buck" PSU than any SeaSonic X-Series.  Actually, I consider the X-Series to be top-of-the-line, not bang-for-your-buck.

    
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Actually if I can find the money to get this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182133 I probably will. The Green 630Watt's cables aren't completely sleeved and it is not modular.

I realize that 750watts is a bit overkill but its nice to not have to worry in the future and also the 750watt version is only $5 more than the 650watt version.
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