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Hello everyone,

I'm slowly gathering the hardware for my upcoming build, and I'm looking for your recommendations for a few components. I've already bought the power supply, case, and SSD for the build, so I've got a lot of room to change my mind yet. Here's what I was originally thinking:

Processor: Intel i7-3770k
Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V Pro
Memory: 8 GB Corsair Vengeance 1600
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 1 TB or Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB
Video Card: GTX 570 or Radeon HD 7850

I've already bought:

Power Supply: PC Power and Cooling Silencer Mk II 950W
SSD: Crucial M4 64GB
Case: BitFenix Shinobi XL

I'm kinda on a budget, but I've been waiting for sales to pop up here and there. I'm not really on a specific timeline to finish it as my current laptop is still working. The primary use of the computer would be gaming, however I'd be doing some CAD work as well. I know that the i7-3770k is a bit overkill for gaming alone, but I want to use the mobo/processor for a long, long time (5 years or so), and I want it to be up to date for quite some time.

However, I've been looking at the Sandy Bridge i5's, and the price difference is quite tempting... What would you guys recommend? Stick with my original plan (3770k and a Z77 board) or go Ivy i5, Sandy i7 or Sandy i5? The savings would most likely be thrown into the video card fund. Typical prices for the 3770k currently are around $330-$350 while the 2500k are like $210-$230; like $120 savings. That would mean a graphics card like the gtx 670 (on a good sale) or a Radeon HD 7950 (on a good sale).

Like I said, it's still early into the build, so I'm more than open to suggestions. Let me know your opinions, and what you think of the components I've selected thus far.
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How much CAD work and for how long? The only difference between an i5 and an i7 is HT and the difference for those time when it will be taken advantage of is ~30%. You won't need HT for gaming but you will need it for CAD. The question is how much is a 30% savings on render time worth to you.

Will you OC this? An aftermarket cooler is recommended if you want to OC. if not, you might want to consider a non-K processor. Cheaper but no OC.
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Originally Posted by Famia View Post

How much CAD work and for how long? The only difference between an i5 and an i7 is HT and the difference for those time when it will be taken advantage of is ~30%. You won't need HT for gaming but you will need it for CAD. The question is how much is a 30% savings on render time worth to you.
Will you OC this? An aftermarket cooler is recommended if you want to OC. if not, you might want to consider a non-K processor. Cheaper but no OC.

Thanks for the response. The CAD work I'll be doing will be quite minimal, so isn't really "worth" getting the i7 I know. I just want something that will be great for quite some time yet. Surely somewhere in the somewhat near future, more applications and perhaps even games will start employing hyperthreading.

I do plan on overclocking the system, and I'm planning on getting the Noctua NH-D14 cooler for the CPU.

From what I've been reading about the differences between the i5 and i7 processors, there's currently zero benefit in getting any i7 over an i5 for gaming, and somewhere between 6-25% benefit in some very specific applications.
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post #4 of 6
I agree to the end part of your first post and also the end part of your second post tongue.gif

Getting a 3570K would be the perfect processor for you to go for as performance-wise it's more than enough for gaming. The 3770k is if you have an unlimited budget. There's isn't much difference with just 2m more cache and HT technology, except for the price.

So a 3570K with a GTX-670 would be a much better combo than a 3770K with a 570. If the 670 is still a bit steep for you to get, then don't worry, this month in the mid of august, GTX-660 ti would be coming out which would be a bit more cheaper and the performance between a 670 and 580.
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I'm going to play a little devils advocate here. In my life with computers; I have typically had cycle times between machines of 7-8 years or so, and I have never felt compelled, or felt a need to buy into high end. I have been well served by mediocre grade stuff and am happy to know that with that mediocrity, I have kept computing costs down, and my productivity has only been hindered towards the end of the cycle life of a machine as the software has gotten ahead of it. In this latest "cycle" for me, I foresee a potentially longer service life, based on the fact that the trend in software now is actually towards efficiency, with portable machines taking the lead for priority (there's a lot of money to be made on wireless contracts).

I think the mobo is a bit overkill unless you have a very specific reason for that board. I'd be willing to bet, that you could take a few percent hit on OC stability and get by with a board costing 30-50% less easily. The ASRock Z77 Extreme4 comes to mind. As does the BIOSTAR TZ77XE4 and many other down in that price class.

For overclocking on air, go ivy or sandy based on pricing. If you can get a sandy for a lot less cost where you are, take the deal, save the money, and you'll probably hit similar performance with a higher potential OC anyway.

I would have a very hard time justifying any CPU above and beyond an i3 sandy at this time personally, however, I understand the desire for "more." With that in mind, If a machine is only going to be used, perhaps, 5-10% of the time for tasks that can take advantage of hyper-threading, I would not personally be able to justify the i7. Considering the fact that a solid I3 2120 can handily deal with gaming, my position would not be whether to get an i5 or i7, but, whether to get an i3 or i5. The i3 is about half the price of and i5 typically, and it would take a super complex model to bring the i3 to it's knees in CAD. How complex is the work you are doing in CAD? I mean, seriously? Granted, if you intend to OC, this whole point is sort of moot unless they come out with a "K" version of the i3.

As far as GPUs are concerned, at this time, in that $200-300 price class, the AMD7000 series is currently the winner in my book. The efficiency alone compared to buying into a 500 series Nvidia card has the potential to pay for itself several times over compared to using the 500 series through those same years, in electrical savings. A very easy choice here. In fact, with these "latest generation" cards, this is one of the few areas and time slots in available hardware where I would say, that a relatively expensive card is actually "worth it" in the long haul. The GTX670 would easily be on the table in the budget if some of the other areas on the machine were cut.

I used a 64GB M4 on a build awhile back for my sister. Nice drive, bad idea. Windows alone fills over half, then, formatting... there isn't enough left to do much of anything useful with, a few programs... It's a problem. Moving the VM to an alternate mechy comes with risks as well, as windows can "screw" that up in a big hurry in my experience. I'd suggest no smaller than a 128GB for a windows install + programs.

As far as the mechy drive goes, whichever you can get for less.

The PCP&C 950W, is overkill, but I love the brand. Awesome PSUs. Assuming the machine were to remain a single GPU setup, anything over ~400-500W is pretty pointless (hard to find well made units below this power rating so this is the range to look in for most machines)... Assuming dual GPUs down the road, maybe 500-700W class.
Edited by mdocod - 8/2/12 at 3:21am
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post #6 of 6
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Thanks for the input Ali Man and mdocod!

modcod, you raise a number of excellent points when it comes to software efficiency becoming the new raw power. As for electricity costs, electricity is pretty much free here in Winnipeg lol. First off, I live in an apartment where the electricity is included in the rent. My wife and I are looking for a house, so eventually that luxury would be gone, but the price/kWh here in Manitoba is among the lowest in North America, so GPU efficiency isn't of utmost importance.

I bought the PCP&C 950W for that reason, knowing full well it was overkill. I figure that I can afford to sacrifice efficiency for performance in the GPU arena because I've got the PSU headroom to power at least two very thirsty video cards (likely 3 or 4 even).

As for the SSD, I'm just planning on installing Windows on it, no programs at all. As I'm on a bit of a budget for this build for the time being, I'm going to be putting the programs and everything else on a mech HDD. Later on I'll throw another 64GB M4 into Raid 0 (as this MOBO has raid support IIRC) and then put the programs onto the SSD array.

I'm also planning on a white and blue build, so the ASUS Z77 boards really go with this theme. I looked at the ASRock and Biostar boards, along with the MSI boards which are also more blue. The ASUS boards typically have more positive feedback from what I've read, although there's always going to be some DOA boards from any of the manufacturers...

Since the price difference between Ivy and Sandy Bridge i5's is like $10, it seems senseless to save a mere $10 to go with the SB over IVB to sacrifice native USB 3.0 and PCI-E 3.0 (which will likely be utilized more a few years down the road).

Thanks again for the replies, helps me out to hear opinions other than my own.
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Crucial M4 64GB SSD Western Digital Caviar Black 1 TB Noctua NH-D14 Windows 7 Professional 
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Crucial M4 64GB SSD Western Digital Caviar Black 1 TB Noctua NH-D14 Windows 7 Professional 
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