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yes for future upgradeability...
with that budget why not get 3-4x gtx 680. 2x gtx 680 seems like a lot but once you start getting into stuff like 3d surround the demands really start to add up.
why would you want to run a smaller PSU at capacity when you could run a larger one and hardly ever have it approach full load, it will be stressed less and in turn live longer. honestly with that budget whats the big deal with spending an extra 100 or so on a BA power supply he may never have to upgrade provided it doesnt die. last time I checked overkill wasn't a bad thing especially when you have the money to blow. also speculation alone isn't enough to sell me on the future power requirements of next generation graphics cards. granted things get more efficient over time but all my experiences with volt modding and overclocking draw one distinct correlation: more voltage equals more power, so I certainly wouldn't rule out the higher power demands of future graphics cards.
edit: also since the OP doesn't really seem like he has gaming in mind you can't rule out the scenario of using even more than 4 GPUs for computing purposes

 

How often do you think his system would pull more than 550W from the PSU?  He would have to have both GTX 680s and his CPU under full load simultaneously in order to do that.

 

Proof:

 

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-680-3way-sli-review/4

 

473W from the wall outlet, add 200W for a power-hungry CPU, water cooling, and even cold cathode lights and it becomes 673W from the wall outlet.  Factor in 85% efficiency, and that's 572W being pulled from the PSU for both the GTX 680s and the CPU being completely maxed out to their limits simultaneously.  How often does that happen?  The average maximum power draw would be closer to 475 to 500W.  The average power draw in general would be even less than that (anywhere from 150W to maybe...350W?).

 

 

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Why are we trying to save $40 on the power supply of a $6000 computer?

 

It's more about education in order to enable people to make informed decisions.  This helps others who come in here and read the posts too, so this isn't just formike.mg


Edited by TwoCables - 8/3/12 at 7:01am
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I still say get atleast a 1000w PSU. Add 2x moe GPUs to make it quad sli and a 750w just wont cut it. With a rig like that why not fold on your free time and then you are talking 100% loads. Throw in overclocks across the board and you can see the power usage go up. I rather go over the top initially than have to worry about upgrading down the line. GROW THAT EPEEN!

edit: from the link you cited:
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GeForce GTX 680 2x SLI - On your average system the cards require you to have a 750 Watt power supply unit as minimum.
GeForce GTX 680 3x SLI - On your average system the cards require you to have a 900 Watt power supply unit as minimum.

Since when is OCN about the minimum. Always leave room for upgrades.
Edited by tha d0ctor - 8/3/12 at 7:11am
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There's leaving room for upgrades, and there's pulling $100 bills out of your wallet and lighting them on fire. Getting a 1000w PSU is stupid when you can spend as much or more money and get a smaller wattage Seasonic x-series (or similar) PSU that will provide an ACTUAL BENEFIT for overspending - silence when the computer is idle.

When I recommended a smaller PSU, I did take account of the huge budget and suggested a high-spending alternative that actually does something.

Doctor's recommendation is to just light money on fire.
    
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I still say get atleast a 1000w PSU. Add 2x moe GPUs to make it quad sli and a 750w just wont cut it. With a rig like that why not fold on your free time and then you are talking 100% loads. Throw in overclocks across the board and you can see the power usage go up. I rather go over the top initially than have to worry about upgrading down the line. GROW THAT EPEEN!

edit: from the link you cited:
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GeForce GTX 680 2x SLI - On your average system the cards require you to have a 750 Watt power supply unit as minimum.
GeForce GTX 680 3x SLI - On your average system the cards require you to have a 900 Watt power supply unit as minimum.

Since when is OCN about the minimum. Always leave room for upgrades.

 

Yep, I know all about that.  Those recommendations are taking into account peak-rated PSUs.  Your average 750W peak-rated PSU should be able to continuously deliver about 550W.  So again, a quality 550W PSU is enough because any quality 550W that gets recommended by me (or by someone who is a recognized expert) will be able to continuously deliver 550W without any problem.

 

So in regards to a 900W PSU for 3 GTX 680s:  your average 900W should be able to continuously deliver about 700-750W.

 

If you don't believe me, then make a thread about this in the Power Supplies forum and wait for experts to reply like Phaedrus2129.  Just don't PM them directly because most of them are far busier than I am.  ;)

 

Really though:  do you think they're going to base their recommendations on continuous-rated PSUs?  What if they said 550W for two GTX 680s and 750W for three and them someone goes out and buys a generic 550W or 750W?  They'll complain to Guru3D because their generic peak-rated 550W or 750W didn't have enough power.  Therefore, they take into account the possibility of some of their readers purchasing junkers even though they recommend not doing that (but not everyone listens).  That way they don't have to dedicate another page to explaining their recommendation of 550W for two and 750W for three.


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I'm looking for something relatively quiet so
For the pumps I'll be using dual mcp655's on a bitspower dual top (is this a better choice than mcp35x2 ???)

Reservoir: I have no clue what to get

Thanks in advance

The pump choices seem like a wash, until you consider the mcp35x2 comes with a PWM splitter which allows you to connect the pumps to the CPU header on your RIVE and control their speed via BIOS. Right now, my pumps are spinning at 1200RPM and under load I have them set to 80% max, all done via BIOS. I have never experienced the heat issues some refer to here, but swiftech makes a stand with a heatsink for this mcp35x2 that would alleviate any worries about that.

As far as the res, from my experience only, I've found bay reservoirs to be noisy. Get a 250ml tube res and mount it to your mcp35x2 pump top.

And just for the sake of completeness, if you care at all about expandability in the future in regards to storage, the RIVE's SATA port configuration is abysmal. There are (inexplicably) 4 SATAIII ports on the board, and only two of them are on the Intel controller. Don't get me wrong, I love the board, and am not recommending against it, just consider getting a quality SATAIII controller if you need more than basic storage needs.
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in regards to the power supply even though people are claiming the loweer power is needed ( there right ) its about the connections, heck my 750 only has 1 6 pin, how is it going to run sli or more. peorsonaly the PSU of my choice is the Sesonic 1000w platinum, max efficencey and connectors coming out its ass,

water cooling wise a single pump will do the job just fine, but second is fun overkill thumb.gif

and then just max out ur rad space, get as much as u can, u have the cash and it will be nice for temps. ( im a xspc EX series fan for rads, same performance as a rx at 1350rpm, and fans at that speed are pretty quite any way )
xx


ps, the extream 11 looks like a killer MOB, might be a fun way to get a different system from the norm asus high end builds
Edited by george_orm - 8/3/12 at 7:41am
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don't listen to the others, get a 1200w PSU for the option of future upgradability. I would go tri or quad sli too with that budget, that or spend the remaining money on a high resolution monitor

This, if your gonna expand in the future (which most people get addicted and do) then 1200w is an investment for future expansion. And go with the GTX 680's good solid cards with excellent performance!

i sure hope you post pics when your done with this! thumb.gif
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This, if your gonna expand in the future (which most people get addicted and do) then 1200w is an investment for future expansion. And go with the GTX 680's good solid cards with excellent performance!
i sure hope you post pics when your done with this! thumb.gif

 

What kind of future expansion are you talking about?  With a quality 1200W PSU, that would have to be a future expansion to have the power draw equivalent to having four GTX 480s in 4-way SLi with a power-hungry CPU as well.

 

 

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in regards to the power supply even though people are claiming the loweer power is needed ( there right ) its about the connections, heck my 750 only has 1 6 pin, how is it going to run sli or more. peorsonaly the PSU of my choice is the Sesonic 1000w platinum, max efficencey and connectors coming out its ass,
water cooling wise a single pump will do the job just fine, but second is fun overkill thumb.gif
and then just max out ur rad space, get as much as u can, u have the cash and it will be nice for temps. ( im a xspc EX series fan for rads, same performance as a rx at 1350rpm, and fans at that speed are pretty quite any way )
xx
ps, the extream 11 looks like a killer MOB, might be a fun way to get a different system from the norm asus high end builds

 

Just one 6-pin?  Which PSU do you have?  What is the make and model?

 

Even if it's a good PSU that only has one 6-pin, Molex to PCI-E power adapters can be used.

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in regards to the power supply even though people are claiming the loweer power is needed ( there right ) its about the connections, heck my 750 only has 1 6 pin, how is it going to run sli or more. peorsonaly the PSU of my choice is the Sesonic 1000w platinum, max efficencey and connectors coming out its ass,
water cooling wise a single pump will do the job just fine, but second is fun overkill thumb.gif
and then just max out ur rad space, get as much as u can, u have the cash and it will be nice for temps. ( im a xspc EX series fan for rads, same performance as a rx at 1350rpm, and fans at that speed are pretty quite any way )
xx
ps, the extream 11 looks like a killer MOB, might be a fun way to get a different system from the norm asus high end builds

I use a corsair AX850 modular power supply, overclocked to 4.9GHz stable so tongue.gif

If you are ever going to run 4 video cards go overkill on the power supply, if you're only going to run one (I do purely 3D rendering and photoshop work) get an AX850 and take the money you saved and put it towards your loop.

Speaking of loops, don't get an EK CPU waterblock. Plenty blocks out there perform at that level but the manufacturers actually care about their customers. thumb.gif Also, keep in mind the LGA2011 CPUs are larger and blocks with larger surface area seem to perform better. Two choices off the top of my head are the Bitspower Summit EF or the Apogee HD. Also, MIPS has an awesome looking new block called the IceForce (or something like that) but there isn't any performance data on it yet.
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I'm just wondering why with the budget and what you're doing with this rig you're not looking at a dual socket setup with 2687Ws, even if you did only start off with one cpu and added another later.
 
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