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SLI nor Crossfire help in the things you have listed unless they run fullscreen. Now I'm not faimilar with all of the tools you listed but at least some years ago CAD was pretty happy running in window and there did not seem to have any options to turn it into full-screen. SLI is awesome for gaming ofc and who knows perhaps one day professional software evolves far enough to take advantage of that as well.

Last I heard 680 compute power was sacrificed in favor of getting better frame rates in games. Perhaps consider an 7970 ? And considering its mostly apps that make use of single card as far as I understand it might be worth even going with the 6 GB Sapphire one.
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This, if your gonna expand in the future (which most people get addicted and do) then 1200w is an investment for future expansion. And go with the GTX 680's good solid cards with excellent performance!
i sure hope you post pics when your done with this! thumb.gif

What two cables was trying to say is that "future expansion" doesn't need a 1200 watt power supply. Each series that comes out uses less and less power. When fermi was originally released they needed a lot of power. That's when a lot of people started getting the 1200 watt power supplies for three and four way SLI. If you look at the 5XX and the 6XX series the trend is blatantly obvious that they are getting far more power efficient and aren't using anywhere near as much power. Today you can usea quality 650 watt power supply for 680s but back with fermi it was cutting it extremely close to even SLI 470s on a 650 watt power supply. The trend is clear that there really isn't any need for 1200 watt power supplies for just about all occasions. Granted if you start running a SR-X with dual hex cores, and four 680s then yes it will probably be necessary but that's not the case for most people. OP is interested in getting two 680s. I would recommend dropping the AX1200 and substituting in a quality 650 watt. If the 680s that he uses have the ability to adjust their voltage then I would recommend getting a 750 watt. It has been shown that once you start increasing the voltage of the card the power consumption exponentially goes up and that's why I would recommend the extra boost. If you cannot adjust the voltage on those cards then a 650 watt will suffice.
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Thank you, VW_TDI_02!

 

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SLI nor Crossfire help in the things you have listed unless they run fullscreen. Now I'm not faimilar with all of the tools you listed but at least some years ago CAD was pretty happy running in window and there did not seem to have any options to turn it into full-screen. SLI is awesome for gaming ofc and who knows perhaps one day professional software evolves far enough to take advantage of that as well.
Last I heard 680 compute power was sacrificed in favor of getting better frame rates in games. Perhaps consider an 7970 ? And considering its mostly apps that make use of single card as far as I understand it might be worth even going with the 6 GB Sapphire one.

Good point. A large part of 3D work involves single-threaded apps using OpenGL. My 6850 with 2GB handles 2M poly models like it was nothing. I'm using a package that has stayed behind the curve tho, Newtek's Lightwave modeler is not the best. AutoDesk may have embraced the trend of using gaming cards for 3D work (I.E. DX11).
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If you want nickel H20 blocks, get Aqua.
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I use a corsair AX850 modular power supply, overclocked to 4.9GHz stable so tongue.gif
If you are ever going to run 4 video cards go overkill on the power supply, if you're only going to run one (I do purely 3D rendering and photoshop work) get an AX850 and take the money you saved and put it towards your loop.
Speaking of loops, don't get an EK CPU waterblock. Plenty blocks out there perform at that level but the manufacturers actually care about their customers. thumb.gif Also, keep in mind the LGA2011 CPUs are larger and blocks with larger surface area seem to perform better. Two choices off the top of my head are the Bitspower Summit EF or the Apogee HD. Also, MIPS has an awesome looking new block called the IceForce (or something like that) but there isn't any performance data on it yet.

And you also spent a bunch of extra money that could have gone to a larger SSD, better video card, etc.
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Thank you, VW_TDI_02!

At least someone is listening.

"And God said we must forgive the feeble minded for their sins"

Not sure if that's actually a quote but I just made it up. haha. It's also a joke so nobody get their panties in a bunch.


Here is something from Guru. This was done by calculating the difference between the rig idling and when GPU was at full load. Also I believe this was measured at the wall (not 100% sure) so efficiency still needs to be taken into account. So that 173 watts is actually a bit less. Say we have an 85% efficiency power supply the 680 is actually pulling about 147.05 watts from the power supply.

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If you want nickel H20 blocks, get Aqua.
Those are hit or miss based on your personal taste. i like the way they look but others hate them for some reason. On a side note any opinion on the newer koolance blocks?
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GK110 is the best vapourware on the market right now
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Their x-series provides a hybrid fanless mode that will completely turn off the PSU fan if it isn't needed. Otherwise any quality modular 750 or 850 solution will be more than plenty.

I'm using the X series, the fan doesn't "turn off" if not needed. The fan doesn't turn on unless load is over 20%.
 
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And you also spent a bunch of extra money that could have gone to a larger SSD, better video card, etc.
"And God said we must forgive the feeble minded for their sins"
Not sure if that's actually a quote but I just made it up. haha. It's also a joke so nobody get their panties in a bunch.
Here is something from Guru. This was done by calculating the difference between the rig idling and when GPU was at full load. Also I believe this was measured at the wall (not 100% sure) so efficiency still needs to be taken into account. So that 173 watts is actually a bit less. Say we have an 85% efficiency power supply the 680 is actually pulling about 147.05 watts from the power supply.
700
Those are hit or miss based on your personal taste. i like the way they look but others hate them for some reason. On a side note any opinion on the newer bitspower blocks?

 

This.

 

VW_TDI_02 is right that they measured the power draw at the wall outlet.  During this power draw measurement, their test system pulled 307W from the wall outlet (however, it would be better to say that their PSU pulled 307W from the wall outlet due to what the system was pulling from the PSU).  The CPU was idling, but still, their entire system pulled about 261W from the PSU with just one GTX 680 under full load in their test system.

 

When they had two GTX 680s in their test system, it pulled 473W from the wall outlet.  The CPU was idling, but still, their entire system pulled about 402W from the PSU with two GTX 680s under full load in their test system.  Link

 

Even adding 250W to these power draws results in about 475W and and 615W respectively (that is, adding 250W to the "at the wall" measurements and then factoring in 85% PSU efficiency).

 

How many systems are going to pull 250W in addition to what the video cards are pulling?  How many systems are going to be maxing out the video cards and the CPU simultaneously?  How often do you max out your video card(s) and CPU simultaneously?

 

I hope it's clear now that there's absolutely no reason in the world to get a PSU that is "bigger" than 650-750W, even for future upgrades.  Seriously.


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You're right that they measured the power draw at the wall outlet.  During this power draw measurement, their test system pulled 307W from the wall outlet (however, it would be better to say that their PSU pulled 307W from the wall outlet due to what the system was pulling from the PSU).  The CPU was idling, but still, their entire system pulled about 261W from the PSU with just one GTX 680 under full load in their test system.

When they had two GTX 680s in their test system, it pulled 473W from the wall outlet.  The CPU was idling, but still, their entire system pulled about 402W from the PSU with two GTX 680s under full load in their test system.  Link

Even adding 250W to these power draws results in about 475W and and 615W respectively (that is, adding 250W to the "at the wall" measurements and then factoring in 85% PSU efficiency).

How many systems are going to pull 250W in addition to what the video cards are pulling?  How many systems are going to be maxing out the video cards and the CPU simultaneously?  How often do you max out your video card(s) and CPU simultaneously?

I hope it's clear now that there's absolutely no reason in the world to get a PSU that is "bigger" than 650-750W, even for future upgrades.  Seriously.
The only time I recommend more then a 650 is with 2 or more 7970 and depending on which 680s. If the 680 has a locked voltage then a 650 watt is fine. But once you start messing with the GPU voltage the power draw goes up very quickly and with two of them I typically would say go with a 750 solely because of that extra voltage adjustment. Do you know of any links that show an overvolted SLI 680 set up?
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