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Sorry for the confusion but what I was talking about with the 680 is that some of the 680s have a fixed voltage while some do not. For example the MSI 680s and the EVGA Classified 680 can all have their voltage adjusted. There are other cards that can be adjust through a bios flash. The 69XX series had to do with being able to give it +20% power through bios adjustment. I'm not 100% sure about the 69XX series though.

 

Did you mean that you're not 100% sure about the GTX 680?

 

 

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Power supplies degrade over time and with heavy use. They will run cooler and quieter if they are not stressed and last longer. I'm not saying a 1200W PSU is needed, I wouldn't go so far as to get a 1200 for this setup. All I am saying is that I wouldn't hesitate to spend what amounts to the price of 2 or 3 fittings out of your watercooling setup to get a few extra watts. If worse case calculations come out to 600W, I personally wouldn't buy a 650W PSU. Especially when stepping up to an 850W amounts to about 0.5% of the total build cost. But that's me. You guys can do what you want.

 

These quality PSUs last much longer than you think, and they are tougher than you think:

 

A message to the community

 

Not only that, but I will say it again:  that review Guru3D did with two GTX 680s in SLi showed a power draw at the wall outlet of 473W.   Even if I add 250W to that, it still only comes out to be about 615W being pulled from the PSU.  Or how about adding 300W instead?  657W. This would only happen if both the CPU and the 680s were maxed out simultaneously, and how often does that happen?  How often do you completely max out your 6950 and your 2700K to their limits?  If you were to measure everything but the video cards, then would it ever come close to even 250W? 

 

How much power are you usually pulling from your PSU each and every day?  How often is it idling?  I mean really, I am not recommending the bare minimum here!  I'm talking about getting a PSU that is more than enough, but not unnecessary overkill.  It leaves plenty of room for upgrades, and it leaves plenty of room for Capacitor Aging.

 

Even if I sometimes sound like I'm recommending the bare minimum, all I'm really doing is showing the person how low they can go so that they are educated and can therefore make an informed decision.  Not only that, but anyone else who reads the information that I pass along will be able to get the same benefit.

 

 

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Just because it's only .5% doesn't mean you should spend it. If you start doing that will all your components you're going to end up going over budget. If calculations say that a 600 watt power supply will easily run a rig then I wouldn't bother getting anything more then a 650 watt. I would only get the 650 watt because they there is typically a better selection at 650 then 600. Also in regards to the "heavy use" comment I don't really see it that way. Power supplies are designed to be at peak efficiency around 80% load making it a better idea to get an appropriate power supply for the rig.

 

This.  Thank you.

 

On PSU Efficiency

 

PSU "50% Load" Myth


Edited by TwoCables - 8/3/12 at 9:08am
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Did you mean that you're not 100% sure about the GTX 680?



These quality PSUs last much longer than you think, and they are tougher than you think:

A message to the community

Not only that, but I will say it again:  that review Guru3D did with two GTX 680s in SLi showed a power draw at the wall outlet of 473W.   Even if I add 250W to that, it still only comes out to be about 615W being pulled from the PSU.  Or how about adding 300W instead?  657W. This would only happen if both the CPU and the 680s were maxed out simultaneously, and how often does that happen?  How often do you completely max out your 6950 and your 2700K to their limits?  If you were to measure everything but the video cards, then would it ever come close to even 250W? 

How much power are you usually pulling from your PSU each and every day?  How often is it idling?  I mean really, I am not recommending the bare minimum here!  I'm talking about getting a PSU that is more than enough, but not unnecessary overkill.  It leaves plenty of room for upgrades, and it leaves plenty of room for Capacitor Aging.

Even if I sometimes sound like I'm recommending the bare minimum, all I'm really doing is showing the person how low they can go so that they are educated and can therefore make an informed decision.  Not only that, but anyone else who reads the information that I pass along will be able to get the same benefit.



This.  Thank you.

On PSU Efficiency

PSU "50% Load" Myth

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So..... I've got a $20000 budget... anyone wanna help me build it!?
totally kidding, but it seems these "unlimited budget" builds garner a lot of discussion. OP only has 4 posts biggrin.gif.
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How often do you completely max out your 6950 and your 2700K to their limits?  If you were to measure everything but the video cards, then would it ever come close to even 250W? 
My reason for this was because I wanted to be able to add a 2nd 6950. My original purchased power supply was a 750W. When I had to RMA that power supply, I decided I wanted a Corsair AX series (There was no 750W). The AX 850 was on sale for only $20 more than a 650. I knew the 850 was a little overkill even for 2 6950's, but at $20 extra, the 850 was a no-brainer. I wasted more than that on compound re-seating my CPU cooler to try and get a couple degrees better. rolleyes.gif
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Even if I sometimes sound like I'm recommending the bare minimum, all I'm really doing is showing the person how low they can go so that they are educated and can therefore make an informed decision. Not only that, but anyone else who reads the information that I pass along will be able to get the same benefit.

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This may be true, but CUDA is more widely adopted than AMD's propriety acceleration. In terms of compute, the GTX 680 is equal to a GTX 560 Ti which is still plenty fast.
You can always upgrade to the compute-oriented GK110 when it launches.

Whoa whoa whoa

CUDA is propriety, OpenCL is open. AMD has better OpenCL performance, and I'm pretty sure OpenCL is used more then CUDA (outside of games). Does CUDA or OpenCL actually make a difference? What do you plan to do that this influences your decision?
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So..... I've got a $20000 budget... anyone wanna help me build it!?
totally kidding, but it seems these "unlimited budget" builds garner a lot of discussion. OP only has 4 posts biggrin.gif.

Well this is not "unlimited budget" build. It has pretty healthy budget and clear purpose of what should it do well. I would even go as far as to say to the budget is pretty head on aimed at the point after what you are just starting to burn money in tech not intended for the desktops/workstations. Sure 5-6k is not exactly bang-for-buck build so there is room for bling as well but that's mostly meaningful bling in my opinion, i.e., you actually get some performance in return even if it's just some percents of it.
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Cpu: 3930k ( would like to get ~ 4.60ghz stable 24/7 )
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videocards: 2x evga gtx 680 4gb in sli ( I didn't want to go with the FTW as I want to use full cover water blocks which are not available for the FTW)
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About the system itself - As I mentioned I think going with 7970 might yield better results than 680 SLI, but I'm sure you are more familiar with finer nyacnes of the programs than I'm so if they work better with 680 and/or can take advantage of SLI then just ignore it.

Second thing - I would aim for 64 GB of RAM. Simulations especially can take all of it and then some more. Depends ofc on how heavyweight stuff are you doing but larger objects or finer grids eat up RAM fast. Video editing is also relatively RAM heavy undertaking.

Third - displays. The U2412M is only 1920x1200 resolution although it has quite good color reproduction. Perhaps it would make sense to get 3x 27'' koreans in addition to your already exisitng U2412M instead of getting two of these. Specifically CAD productivity scales very well with increased screen real estate - so having a 4320x2560 screen array for CAD would offer you more, in my opinion, than two extra U2412HM's - and you would still have the 10bit IPS for tasks that need the color accuracy as the Koreans are only 8 bit displays. Any modern high end GFX card can drive 4 displays, both AMD and nvidia. Surround is limited to max 3 screens but it still can run the 4th auxiliary one as well as far as I know.
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So..... I've got a $20000 budget... anyone wanna help me build it!?
totally kidding, but it seems these "unlimited budget" builds garner a lot of discussion. OP only has 4 posts biggrin.gif.

ok first were gonna need some ioDrives.. lol
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Using the same concept that 'Two Sticks" is using to explain why we are jousting over 40.00 for a 6000.00 dollar computer we should be explaining to our OP how he can build a computer to serve his needs and not spend 6000.00.Why concentrate on just the power supply?

Two Cables (did you like the new name?). When will the manufactures stop with the tremendous advertising campagin in regards too high wattage power supplies? We here at OCN have been going at this issue for at least 3 years and no one in the design,manufacturing,marketing fields are listening or reading threads that tell almost everyone that wants even a 750W that they do not need it.
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I really hope you are gaming with 2 GTX 680s, their computation performance are crap for the price..... If you arent gaming, go with a Quadro 5000....
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CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($564.99 @ CompUSA)
Motherboard: MSI Big Bang - XPower II XL ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($399.47 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Trident X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Trident X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($119.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($149.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: PNY Quadro 5000 2.5GB Video Card ($1749.00 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair 650W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($140.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $3524.40
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
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(did you like the new name?).

 

lol yeah that name is funny.  I love how it all stems from me saying "I don't want to be a stick in the mud"

 

 

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When will the manufactures stop with the tremendous advertising campagin in regards too high wattage power supplies? We here at OCN have been going at this issue for at least 3 years and no one in the design,manufacturing,marketing fields are listening or reading threads that tell almost everyone that wants even a 750W that they do not need it.

 

They will stop when it's no longer all about the money.

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