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RE: having nvidia and ati cards on the same machine... I'm sure someone somewhere has done it and it might even work. I can't imagine the headaches involved with getting the drivers to play nicely together in windows tho. Heck, both the companies have struggled with putting out stable drivers when running standalone, much less fighting for those interrupts. thumb.gif
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Isn't Solidworks exclusively CUDA compute?

Still wondering why there's no Xeons here... would get much more bang out of this system for what your doing.
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Solidworks Honeywell runs fine on hd400 even when its got a detailed model and yes i think it is cuda based for accel
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Ouch. Bummer about the oilrig blowout. Sounds like you have a good plan though. The seasonic 1000 platinum is one of the best PSU's available. The reviewers drool over it anyway, so you won't be disappointed there.

Those same reviewers drooled over the Corsair HX1000,and we all know how that turned out.
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Isn't Solidworks exclusively CUDA compute?
Still wondering why there's no Xeons here... would get much more bang out of this system for what your doing.

Almost all CAD programs use OpenCL/ OpenGL, some also use CUDA. Solidworks and Inventor use OpenCL (they might use CUDA, but it's a non-issue, seeing how poorly GeForce cards do in CAD programs.. see below).

The real issue is, 680's are junk for Solidworks. sw-02 is the Solidworks bench, I believe version 2011.



So OP, that's the main reason not to go with 680's for Solidworks. That and, as you were saying, the V5900 is actually faster than SLI 680's, even if they scaled at 100%:


As for Solidworks having issues with non-certified GPUs, I never had an issue. Never had a crash with my sig laptop using Intel HD 3000 graphics, and I probably put in 200+ hours on Solidworks over the past year (yes, its school related, no it's not basic like college engineering CAD work). I'm sure companies like to keep it certified. In reality, I'd *guess* the main issue is that people update drivers too often and screw something up.

At any rate, no harm getting a V5900, but a 7970 will probably give you a high enough framerate, and you won't need a 2nd graphics card for gaming.

As for dual Xeons, I don't think you'll need those for any sort of CAD work - CPU power is only really needed for a final render (you'll get the same performance while working on a model with 2 cores @ 4.6ghz, as you would with all 6 at 4.6ghz). For example, I could do a 2560x1600 render of a 30MB assembly in about 30 minutes high detail (about 8-10 hours for ultra detail - I could barely tell the difference in image quality, doubt it'd even show in a high-quality print, definitely not on a projector) with a 2.1ghz i3 dual-core. 4.6ghz hex-core might take 1/6 the time.
 
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But it's not good for a PSU to have that small of a load on it 24/7.

That's the first time I've heard of this. How does this effect the life of the PSU or the components it powers? Do you have any solid evidence of your claim, I'd be very interested in reading about it.
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I guess the next time someone comes along with a budget this big, then I'll just flat-out recommend the best 1200W power supply.

So, my personal recommendation would then be the 1200W Antec High Current Pro since this hasn't been recommended yet (I don't want to waste anyone's time repeating any of the already-recommended PSUs):

http://www.antec.com/product.php?id=2468&fid=343

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371043

I feel stupid doing this for a build that'll never need a PSU with a true continuous capacity any larger than 650-750W, but whatever. It's not my system, so hey: go for it! rolleyes.gif

Quite the solipsist we have here.
 
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ERMEGERD quite arguing about the PSU there's more than one part in a PC!

You might want to consider Xeons with this kind of budget. Additionally as others have said if you plan on doing some gaming on this as well as work throw out the 680s for 7970s.

Seriously, 8 pages of PSU arguments? Come on guys...
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Isn't Solidworks exclusively CUDA compute?
Still wondering why there's no Xeons here... would get much more bang out of this system for what your doing.

Almost all CAD programs use OpenCL/ OpenGL, some also use CUDA. Solidworks and Inventor use OpenCL (they might use CUDA, but it's a non-issue, seeing how poorly GeForce cards do in CAD programs.. see below).

The real issue is, 680's are junk for Solidworks. sw-02 is the Solidworks bench, I believe version 2011. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


So OP, that's the main reason not to go with 680's for Solidworks. That and, as you were saying, the V5900 is actually faster than SLI 680's, even if they scaled at 100%:


As for Solidworks having issues with non-certified GPUs, I never had an issue. Never had a crash with my sig laptop using Intel HD 3000 graphics, and I probably put in 200+ hours on Solidworks over the past year (yes, its school related, no it's not basic like college engineering CAD work). I'm sure companies like to keep it certified. In reality, I'd *guess* the main issue is that people update drivers too often and screw something up.

At any rate, no harm getting a V5900, but a 7970 will probably give you a high enough framerate, and you won't need a 2nd graphics card for gaming.

As for dual Xeons, I don't think you'll need those for any sort of CAD work - CPU power is only really needed for a final render (you'll get the same performance while working on a model with 2 cores @ 4.6ghz, as you would with all 6 at 4.6ghz). For example, I could do a 2560x1600 render of a 30MB assembly in about 30 minutes high detail (about 8-10 hours for ultra detail - I could barely tell the difference in image quality, doubt it'd even show in a high-quality print, definitely not on a projector) with a 2.1ghz i3 dual-core. 4.6ghz hex-core might take 1/6 the time.

Hmm, I've been under the impression that Solidworks only utilised CUDA for acceleration.
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ERMEGERD quite arguing about the PSU there's more than one part in a PC!
You might want to consider Xeons with this kind of budget. Additionally as others have said if you plan on doing some gaming on this as well as work throw out the 680s for 7970s.
Seriously, 8 pages of PSU arguments? Come on guys...

the PSU argument is valid because he has a beast rig with plenty of options for future upgradability except in one field. I'd say the 1000w PSU is a happy medium. for those who wanted to go for the minimum requirements they would potentially impede the future upgradability of this rig. If its a matter of spending an extra 75-100 dollars for a better PSU right off the bat instead of speculating about future generations of graphics cards and ending up buying another PSU down the road I would gladly go overkill to future proof the system in question.

when building a rig its best to factor in what ifs and take into account one's future moves instead of going for the minimum and having to backtrack later IMO
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$5000-$6000 you say? You don't say! I'd say you accidentally added an extra 0, but twice?

Anyway, it's quite stupid to blow your load all at once. Save yourself 4k, avoid the WC loop, and that way you can be ready when the Next Big Thing comes out, which you really want, and you can just pop it in there really quickly. (Hey, don't buy EK, I'm one of the people who got blamed for screwing up their blocks when all I used was distilled water).

Anyway say you have a big dual loop system in there, you're pretty much locked in unless you want to drain the loop, disassemble and replace stuff in 2 years when it's obsolete. Next you gotta reassemble the loop, leak test it, and refill it, bleed it. soooo much work to do. That's why I'm not on water any more.

You're really not able to do anything (practical) when you are on H2O that you can't do when you're on air. It's not that much quieter, it just looks cool, and you might squeeze a 1-2x higher multiplier out of your CPU. It's totally not worth the work.
Edited by jadawgis732 - 8/3/12 at 10:47pm
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