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So now that we're past that and no one cares. Who's got the highest clock with the new bios?
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Actually I am not worried about degrading the chip as the vrms of references boards. I guess at 1.213mV people are pushing the vrms of their reference boards as they are not designed to tolerate that kind of voltage for extended time, thats why they are hidden in the stock Bios.
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Actually I am not worried about degrading the chip as the vrms of references boards. I guess at 1.213mV people are pushing the vrms of their reference boards as they are not designed to tolerate that kind of voltage for extended time, thats why they are hidden in the stock Bios.

Yea the models we have with better VRMs are nice. Too bad my chip sucks and I'm only getting around 1270 stable atm
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Degradation is definitely possible with overkill voltage, I know its popular to shrug it off but it can happen, although it has only happened to CPU's for me. I have 2 i7-870s die 6-8 months after 24/7 continuous operation with crazy high voltages. Running over voltage will cause electromigration, this is a fact. However as long as you don't go ridiculous (1.3V is really too much TBH IMO) you should be fine since you're upgrading within 2 years anyway. Closehanger, there's really no reason for you to act like a jerk BTW.
So in my opinion a mild overvoltage is fine because you'll replace your card within 2 years anyway. But don't kid yourselves, if you run 1.35V 24/7 for a year you will cause electromigration which will lower the lifespan. It won't be overnight, its not an exact science - it could give up the ghost 6 months from now if you want to run 1.35V-1.4V 24/7. IMHO 1.25V is about the most I would ever run a kepler at , 1.3V is way beyond spec. Its fun for benchmark runs but not feasible for 24/7.
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..the best until now, keep going guys... thumb.gif

I woudn't care about the degradation of the gpu (not with 37mV increase in vcore; lol), its more the VRMs that are overheating even with stock bios. The Asus (Top) could be such a candidate (just an assumption - not a fact!).
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Actually I am not worried about degrading the chip as the vrms of references boards. I guess at 1.213mV people are pushing the vrms of their reference boards as they are not designed to tolerate that kind of voltage for extended time, thats why they are hidden in the stock Bios.
Took me to long to write the above post. This is what probably is causing the problems on some cards - a combination of a poor quality chip (variating quality in the assembly) + poor quality VRM circuit (by design).
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Took me to long to write the above post. This is what probably is causing the problems on some cards - a combination of a poor quality chip (variating quality in the assembly) + poor quality VRM circuit (by design).

And this is all im trying to find out.. Vrms Or chip What is making people having a stable overclock for 2 months then one day have to drop it 40mhz...

Not trying to upset anyone.. It is a General Concern.

This thread is a Great place to watch and observe what is going on .. Trying to Figure the rate of failure / degrade Gpu or Vrms..

So ill just say im not trying to upset anyone and if i have im very sorry i just tend to stick with the side of caution with a 500$ + item.
    
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There's never going to be anything conclusive until some site takes up the cause and does a real story/study on it. The basis for the original scare was a debunked story about nvidia not covering warranties on overclocked cards and some people tacked on few anecdotal stories about people whose cards are failing, that's about it. There is no conclusive or even remotely pertinent data/stories out there that say overvolting to 1.2 will cause these cards to degrade, it's all hearsay and minor hysteria at this point being spread around by a few people (and the forums of one site in particular, with an already strong AMD slant) who have decided to connect these things together and make this into something it simply isn't at this point.

*goes back to eating popcorn*
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There's never going to be anything conclusive until some site takes up the cause and does a real story/study on it. The basis for the original scare was a debunked story about nvidia not covering warranties on overclocked cards and some people tacked on few anecdotal stories about people whose cards are failing, that's about it. There is no conclusive or even remotely pertinent data/stories out there that say overvolting to 1.2 will cause these cards to degrade, it's all hearsay and minor hysteria at this point being spread around by a few people (and the forums of one site in particular, with an already strong AMD slant) who have decided to draw connect these things together and make this into something it simply isn't at this point.
*goes back to eating popcorn*
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I agree. Its mostly fake stories, but we will all see in time.
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I don't think they are "fake" I think they are stories of normal failure, etc that are being pinned on something that probably isn't the root cause. There's just not enough data, at all, to support this. Kepler is different, but not *that* different. The laws of physics still apply to the silicone in them as much as they do with any other card, past of present. the amount of voltage just isn't that great, it would mean Nvidia was cutting it insanely close if that small amount of voltage was killing these cards.
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I don't think they are "fake" I think they are stories of normal failure, etc that are being pinned on something that probably isn't the root cause. There's just not enough data, at all, to support this. Kepler is different, but not *that* different. The laws of physics still apply to the silicone in them as much as they do with any other card, past of present. the amount of voltage just isn't that great, it would mean Nvidia was cutting it insanely close if that small amount of voltage was killing these cards.

There is conclusive evidence that extreme over voltage causes electromigration, this is a fact with all silicon. I've had more than 1 cpu die from extreme overvoltage and it wasn't a heat related issue. However, as I mentioned earlier most of us are upgrading within a year or two anyway so its not a big deal - as long as you don't go stupid high on voltage you should be okay. As I mentioned earlier i'd keep 24/7 voltage at 1.25V or lower, 1.3V-1.4V 24/7 is just begging for problems. I'd only use super high voltage for benchmark runs, its insane to stay that high (1.35V+) 24/7.

So, lets just drop it shall we? This is all pointless to discuss. Electromigration should be common sense, but this is OCN. We're all upgrading sooner than typical users anyway, so who cares. I can't see something like 1.25V killing a card within 2 years, but 1.35V ? Maybe, who knows. Lets keep the discussion on BIOS' going instead of this! Dead horse has been beaten!thumb.gif
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