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indeed but you say unrelated well this thread is about unlocked bios'es and oc'ing them so i believe it is completely related as it translates to how far you can get in terms of oc'ing with a certain psu. if this is unrelated to your post then it is in the wrong thread.

 

The efficiency of a PSU has absolutely nothing to do with how much power it can deliver to a computer.

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The efficiency of a PSU has absolutely nothing to do with how much power it can deliver to a computer.

ok and so if i have a set power limit due to a budget and i need the psu to stay under it so i must choose the power supply that can get closest to it without going over then that is irrelevant? as it stands if it has nothing to do with power output to the cards then this is the wrong thread too be debating power supply issues then. If that is the case that is what the psu section as you stated is for:

 

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If you don't believe me, then ask about this concept in the Power Supplies forum. Ask about good quality-made PSUs being able to deliver more than their advertised capacity. You will learn about a lot of PSUs that are actually praised for their amazing ability to deliver a hell of a lot more than the advertised capacity. One PSU in particular that I can think of off the top of my head is the 1200W Antec High Current Pro. I don't know of any others because to be honest, I don't really care. lol I'm sorry.
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Okay, the last posts were actually drifting from the original argument that we have when choosing a PSU. So for the late bloomers here, go back a few pages and stay on it.


1. Another user claims a 350 Watts 80+ to be better than a 600 Watts cheapo. And could actually deliver more power than a cheapo 600 Watts

My answer is NO, you cannot deliver more than your advertised power.

2. Another user claims they can actually deliver more than they are rated. Sites a review.

My answer is that they're barely a manufacturing safeguard on the quality assurance.

3. We are trying to discuss how much of a PSU you will need if you do know what your system requires.

No OC, give a 20% headroom for the PSU.
OC, you need to consider giving more headroom.

4. A PSU should be your safest component in any system.


Now since it drifted away,

Here's some of my questions for y'all.

TwoCables: given your argument that a GOOD QUALITY PSU will always deliver it's rated spec 24/7, I'll give you this question.

HAVE YOU CONSIDERED A 600 WATTS PLATINUM PSU WHEN YOU SET YOUR "It's like advanced alien technology! smile.gif" RIG? Knowing that a 600WATTS PLATINUM could almost fit the bill for your rig?

How good will your PSU output be if you add in ripple into the equation?

Then If you have a good quality-made PSU, then you have a continuous-rated unit. What does that mean? It means that it can deliver its advertised power 24/7. All day, every day. Easily. That's what it's designed for.

The only typical scenario I could think of with this is, SERVERS??
But and there's the term REDUNDANT PSUs. Why do servers need redundant power sources when one can deliver reliable power 24/7? This is no ignorance. I'm saying keep it safe always.

When it comes to PSUs: you should size the PSU appropriately as best as you can. You don't want it to be too overkill.
I have given a scenario on both stock and OC examples. Yes, an 850 Watts PSU seemed to be overkill when you sized up a system to consume just under 500 Watts at stock. But OC it and you'll see my point.



Then kevindd992002, before you jumped in to the topic we have had, have you checked the previous posts? Were talking about a comparison of a cheapo 600 and a Platinum 350. I noted a 350 Platinum cannot beat a 600 Cheapo. Yet you jumped in and sited an example that shows another PSU going up the rated by a little margin. What's your point?

Again, I am speaking on my own and recommending something substantial. You got your own views. I have my own point as per the original subject. People jumped in, the topic drifted. And I'm cursed.

But no, I won't back off my claims. If I do recommend a PSU, I'd look at the system's requirements and how it will be used, and draw conclusions from them.
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ok and so if i have a set power limit due to a budget and i need the psu to stay under it so i must choose the power supply that can get closest to it without going over then that is irrelevant? as it stands if it has nothing to do with power output to the cards then this is the wrong thread too be debating power supply issues then. If that is the case that is what the psu section as you stated is for:

 

 

I'm talking about a PSU's efficiency. The PSU's efficiency has nothing to do with the PSU's output capacity.

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I'm talking about a PSU's efficiency. The PSU's efficiency has nothing to do with the PSU's output capacity.

so then again it also has nothing to do with this thread. the original topic was a guy powering his rig with a 350w and he has like a 660 but its oc'ed and he has a cpu oc'ed along with all his other components. now lets stay on topic. is a 350w enough when he is oc'ing possibly but bios modding(which is what this thread is about) i highly doubt it.

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Okay, the last posts were actually drifting from the original argument that we have when choosing a PSU. So for the late bloomers here, go back a few pages and stay on it.


1. Another user claims a 350 Watts 80+ to be better than a 600 Watts cheapo. And could actually deliver more power than a cheapo 600 Watts

 

Depending on the PSU, it's possible that a high-end 350W (360W, actually) would do better than an el cheapo 600W PSU. To start with, let's talk about the capacity. The 360W SeaSonic G Series has a +12V capacity of 360W. An el cheapo 600W PSU would have a +12V capacity of maybe 432W at best. However, you also have to consider the quality of the unit. Not just overall, but in detail. I'm sure you're aware of the differences, so I won't go into that right now.

 

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My answer is NO, you cannot deliver more than your advertised power.

 

That's only correct if you are talking about a PSU that has been rated for its peak output capacity. When talking about good PSUs, you're talking about a continuous capacity. So, yes, you can have a good PSU deliver more than what's advertised because you're only going over the continuous capacity. After you exceed the continuous capacity, you begin your approach to the peak capacity. Some really good units can deliver 150W+ over the continuous capacity before turning off. Yes, they will just harmlessly turn off, unlike "el cheapo" PSUs. That's one of the reasons why a good quality-made "350W" PSU "beats" an el-cheapo 600W PSU. I'd rather have my gaming power consumption be at damn near 100% of a high-end "350W" PSU with the peace of mind that only a good PSU can give than having some el-cheapo PSU powering my rig. I woudln't be able to sit still if my rig were being powered by an el-cheapo - I don't care how overkill it is.

 

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2. Another user claims they can actually deliver more than they are rated. Sites a review.

My answer is that they're barely a manufacturing safeguard on the quality assurance.

 

Ask around about PSUs like the 1200W Antec High Current Pro. Or, just ask around about PSUs that have impressed reviewers with how much more they can deliver above their advertised capacity.

 

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3. We are trying to discuss how much of a PSU you will need if you do know what your system requires.

No OC, give a 20% headroom for the PSU.
OC, you need to consider giving more headroom.

 

Yeah, I can see that. If I saw someone building a rig and I found that their gaming power consumption based on everything they said will be about 550W max, then I'd be recommending a good 650W PSU.

 

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4. A PSU should be your safest component in any system.

 

Or, we can say that it's the most important part. It's an investment, so I recommend making it a good one (as much as possible).

 

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Now since it drifted away,

Here's some of my questions for y'all.

TwoCables: given your argument that a GOOD QUALITY PSU will always deliver it's rated spec 24/7, I'll give you this question.

 

A good quality-made PSU is designed to be able to deliver its advertised capacity 24/7, yes. If it's needed. Would I recommend it? No. Why? Because a true PSU expert on here said that if you're Folding 24/7, then you should size your PSU so that your power consumption is roughly 50-70% of the PSU's advertised capacity in order to maximize efficiency and to also get the best performance out of the PSU. If someone is already stuck in that situation though and they can't do anything about it for months to come because of their poor financial situation, then the only thing I'd recommend is lowering their overclock or underclocking. Or, finding other ways to reduce their power consumption until they can afford a new PSU.

 

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HAVE YOU CONSIDERED A 600 WATTS PLATINUM PSU WHEN YOU SET YOUR "It's like advanced alien technology! smile.gif" RIG? Knowing that a 600WATTS PLATINUM could almost fit the bill for your rig?

 

A good quality-made 450W PSU would be able to power my system no problem. How do I know? My Kill A Watt readings have never gone any higher than roughly 425W. If my PSU were 85% efficient (it's the Bronze-rated HX650) while pulling 425W from the wall, then that means that my computer was pulling 360W from my PSU. That was while running Furmark. My gaming power draw is even less. I would be extremely comfortable with something like the Rosewill 450-M powering my computer. So, why don't I have it? My financial situation sucks.

 

So, why do I have the HX650? Because it was at an amazing price when I bought it, and plus I didn't know any better back then. I didn't know that I could have (and should have) gone with a good 450W PSU. However, there weren't many really good 450W PSUs back then either except for the HX450 which didn't last long. I almost bought it too, but it was at a higher price than the HX650 at that time (I think I got the HX650 as a Shellshocker or some crazy deal on Buy.com, or ... I can't remember now).

 

By the way: why are you recommending a Platinum PSU?

 

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How good will your PSU output be if you add in ripple into the equation?

 

Dude  I'm not worried about my PSU's ripple. I know that it's ok. It's not bad AT ALL. Besides, high ripple does not change a PSU's output capacity. However, bad ripple can cause a variety of problems - especially when trying to overclock.

 

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Then If you have a good quality-made PSU, then you have a continuous-rated unit. What does that mean? It means that it can deliver its advertised power 24/7. All day, every day. Easily. That's what it's designed for.

The only typical scenario I could think of with this is, SERVERS??
But and there's the term REDUNDANT PSUs. Why do servers need redundant power sources when one can deliver reliable power 24/7? This is no ignorance. I'm saying keep it safe always.

 

I think the answer to this one is obvious: because they're servers, not consumer PCs. That's a MASSIVE difference. It's not even a valid comparison. They're two completely different beasts. You're also comparing server PSUs to consumer PSUs. You just can't do that.

 

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When it comes to PSUs: you should size the PSU appropriately as best as you can. You don't want it to be too overkill.
I have given a scenario on both stock and OC examples. Yes, an 850 Watts PSU seemed to be overkill when you sized up a system to consume just under 500 Watts at stock. But OC it and you'll see my point.

 

When I said 500W, I didn't mean anything like "stock" or "overclocked". I just meant "500W". That could mean heavily overclocked, or it could mean stock. It depends on the system in question.

 

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Then kevindd992002, before you jumped in to the topic we have had, have you checked the previous posts? Were talking about a comparison of a cheapo 600 and a Platinum 350. I noted a 350 Platinum cannot beat a 600 Cheapo. Yet you jumped in and sited an example that shows another PSU going up the rated by a little margin. What's your point?

 

The PSU's efficiency has nothing to do with its output capacity, nor does it have anything to do with its quality. A PSU's quality cannot be judged by its 80+ Certification.

 

Anyway, I think what Kevin is saying is: never use an "el cheapo" PSU in the kind of computers we build here on OCN. Ever. Personally, I wouldn't even use such a PSU in a simple office PC, but that's just me. I probably wouldn't even trust it to be a doorstop. So yeah, if the person would have enough power with the 360W SeaSonic G Series and their only other choice in PSUs is a 600W "el cheapo", then it's a no-brainer: the 360W G Series is the obvious choice. If it does NOT have enough power but the el cheapo DOES.... then... man. I don't know. Save up and import a better PSU. Do what you can to avoid it. Y'know?

 

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Again, I am speaking on my own and recommending something substantial. You got your own views. I have my own point as per the original subject. People jumped in, the topic drifted. And I'm cursed.

But no, I won't back off my claims. If I do recommend a PSU, I'd look at the system's requirements and how it will be used, and draw conclusions from them.

 

Hey. I saw fighting and I couldn't stand it. I'm sorry.

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so then again it also has nothing to do with this thread. the original topic was a guy powering his rig with a 350w and he has like a 660 but its oc'ed and he has a cpu oc'ed along with all his other components. now lets stay on topic. is a 350w enough when he is oc'ing possibly but bios modding(which is what this thread is about) i highly doubt it.

 

No, it was mentioned quite recently in here (or insinuated) that a PSU's efficiency determines its output capacity. I'm correcting that misinformation.

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I'm going to come back to this tomorrow sometime. I have to get some sleep.

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250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (OS) 3 TB Toshiba P300 (storage) Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate Basic, but premium round 
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X-Fi Titanium HD Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 (with 16 AWG Monster Cable... 
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i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (OS) 3 TB Toshiba P300 (storage) Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate Basic, but premium round 
AudioAudio
X-Fi Titanium HD Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 (with 16 AWG Monster Cable... 
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Guys, try to not drift completely off-topic, otherwise I'm going to have to start deleting posts.

If you want to further discuss PSUs head over to the appropriate forum sub-section.

Thanks.
 
Metro 2033 review
Metro 2033
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Core i7-3820 Asus Sabertooth X79 MSI GTX 1060 6 GB Gaming X 16 GB Corsair DDR3 1866 Mhz Dominator 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung SSD 830 128GB + WD Caviar Black 2TB Sony Optiarc DVD-RW Corsair A70 + Noiseblocker M12-P Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ RL2455HM Cooler Master Octane Corsair AX750 Professional Modular 80 Plus Gold Cooler Master HAF 912 Plus 
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Metro 2033 review
Metro 2033
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Core i7-3820 Asus Sabertooth X79 MSI GTX 1060 6 GB Gaming X 16 GB Corsair DDR3 1866 Mhz Dominator 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung SSD 830 128GB + WD Caviar Black 2TB Sony Optiarc DVD-RW Corsair A70 + Noiseblocker M12-P Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ RL2455HM Cooler Master Octane Corsair AX750 Professional Modular 80 Plus Gold Cooler Master HAF 912 Plus 
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Cooler Master Octane 
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Does anyone have an original evga gtx 660 ftw sig1 bios?

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Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
seagate barracuda  seagate barracuda seagate barracuda seagate barracuda 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
Crucial M500 SSD random dvd multirecorder / cd drive fast sata 6... ex240 rad xspc ax240 kit 
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3 140mm fans plus 6 120mm fans Arctic Cooling MX4 4g Thermal Paste XSPC EX360 crossflow windows 8.1 pro 
OSOSMonitorKeyboard
ZorinOS Mac Os X Yosemite Monoprice MPCP28UHD logitech g510s 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
evga supernova 1300 g2 Corsair 900D logitech g500s none  
AudioAudioAudioOther
Logitech X-540 5.1 Surround Sound Speaker w/ su... diamond xtreme sound XS71U Logitech H390 Headset xbox 360 wireless 
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logitech c110 webcam logitech driving force gt 
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i7-4790k gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming G1 WIFI-BK corsair vengeance 2x8 1866Mhz seagate barracuda 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
seagate barracuda  seagate barracuda seagate barracuda seagate barracuda 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
Crucial M500 SSD random dvd multirecorder / cd drive fast sata 6... ex240 rad xspc ax240 kit 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
3 140mm fans plus 6 120mm fans Arctic Cooling MX4 4g Thermal Paste XSPC EX360 crossflow windows 8.1 pro 
OSOSMonitorKeyboard
ZorinOS Mac Os X Yosemite Monoprice MPCP28UHD logitech g510s 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
evga supernova 1300 g2 Corsair 900D logitech g500s none  
AudioAudioAudioOther
Logitech X-540 5.1 Surround Sound Speaker w/ su... diamond xtreme sound XS71U Logitech H390 Headset xbox 360 wireless 
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logitech c110 webcam logitech driving force gt 
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