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post #71 of 97
What makes you think I like Debian? rolleyes.gif

Since you guys are not mindlessly copying and pasting things in, how is it your arch systems are still breaking? Is it because it is a poorly tested OS even when using good administration practices?

Its funny you guys are so closed minded, you will defend Arch till the grave, but in the same breath complain that it breaks.
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but in the same breath complain that it breaks.

Who's complaining it's breaking again?

Plan9 hasn't, I haven't, sure there's a few unfortunate issues that pop up. But we fully expect that and know the way to fix it. There's no complaining, just acknowledging that something has been a bit more troublesome as of late.

Copying and pasting what? exactly?
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Theres nothing particularly hard about Arch, its funny how you users of the system think you are elite. Most of Archlinux administration is mindless copy and paste from the wiki.

do you run arch linux? have you used it? Or did you hurry your a** back to buntu when you had to make a filesystem change? If arch is junkware in your eyes, you need glasses (shrak too wink.gif jk. Anyone can have bad luck. Sorry it soured debian to ya) and this comes from a non-arch user.
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I learned very early in my Linux journey to check packages before agreeing to upgrade them. And yes I have broken my system all to hell and half of Georgia before. That's why I make BACKUP IMAGES on a regular basis. That is not specific to Arch or even Linux in general, it's just good administration. I do the same for every windows machine I set up. Saves me tons of headaches. When things get messed up as they are bound to do I simply take the last image I made and restore it. Now that I think of it, it serves me just as well in life. I don't tinker with my computer unless I have a backup, or my car unless I have an alternative ride to work. Just makes sense.
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(shrak too wink.gif jk. Anyone can have bad luck. Sorry it soured debian to ya) and this comes from a non-arch user.

And you're right. Anyone can have bad luck, and many have with even the most "stable" of distro's. I still have my Debian install ( on this laptop ), but never really boot into it often, and honestly haven't had any issues with it since then when I do decide to boot into it. But then again neither does Arch for me ( aside from me being drunk and --force'ing the glibc update by accident, which was fixed within 5 minutes of waking up before my first cup of coffee was done ).

So for me, I see no reason to use another distro. Arch draws me to it for a number of reasons. Mainly Pacman, as it is the simplest and imo one of the best package managers out there. Being straight forward, powerful in it's own right ( while not suffisticated to install packages in the proper order such as this glibc incident demonstrates ). I know the file system, where all of the configs are for all of my files, where a lot are the same on others, there still is differences. All of the package names for packages I use ( another big factor, trying to figure the proper package name for another distro can be a pain sometimes, especially when you're using newer packages that may be merged or modified in a way that the others aren't. ). I just don't see a point to re learn the older packages/drivers and go through their headaches again that I went through with Arch 2+ years prior ( my main issue with broadcom ( wl and sta ) on my debian install, on Arch I went through the flaky drivers 2 years ago that would drop signals constantly, but ever since they were updated and merged with the B43 drivers and included in the kernel, they've been flawless and painless to set up. )
post #76 of 97
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do you run arch linux? have you used it? Or did you hurry your a** back to buntu when you had to make a filesystem change? If arch is junkware in your eyes, you need glasses (shrak too wink.gif jk. Anyone can have bad luck. Sorry it soured debian to ya) and this comes from a non-arch user.

Ya i ran archlinux for a solid year before I drew my conclusion. I don't like Ubuntu either biggrin.gif
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(shrak too wink.gif jk. Anyone can have bad luck. Sorry it soured debian to ya) and this comes from a non-arch user.

And you're right. Anyone can have bad luck, and many have with even the most "stable" of distro's. I still have my Debian install ( on this laptop ), but never really boot into it often, and honestly haven't had any issues with it since then when I do decide to boot into it. But then again neither does Arch for me ( aside from me being drunk and --force'ing the glibc update by accident, which was fixed within 5 minutes of waking up before my first cup of coffee was done ).

So for me, I see no reason to use another distro. Arch draws me to it for a number of reasons. Mainly Pacman, as it is the simplest and imo one of the best package managers out there. Being straight forward, powerful in it's own right ( while not suffisticated to install packages in the proper order such as this glibc incident demonstrates ). I know the file system, where all of the configs are for all of my files, where a lot are the same on others, there still is differences. All of the package names for packages I use ( another big factor, trying to figure the proper package name for another distro can be a pain sometimes, especially when you're using newer packages that may be merged or modified in a way that the others aren't. ). I just don't see a point to re learn the older packages/drivers and go through their headaches again that I went through with Arch 2+ years prior ( my main issue with broadcom ( wl and sta ) on my debian install, on Arch I went through the flaky drivers 2 years ago that would drop signals constantly, but ever since they were updated and merged with the B43 drivers and included in the kernel, they've been flawless and painless to set up. )

Sounds like me and arch. It seemed everything I touched broke, and required I bunch of hours digging thou the wiki and getting yelled at by forum members until it was fixed. Part of this was because I used an outdated core install and had to back log though a ton of updates, the later ones (manual changes, that is) thinking you had done the first ones. Things could have gone better if id done a netinstall but at the time I used wifi and linux never played nice with my nic. Plus an patched kernal bug sent my sustem crashing every 12 hours, requiring me to recompile my kernal with a patch being devoloped in debian sid, of all places. Then i remembered starting debian. If smaller and less active, the forum was more inviting, the netinstall gave me the kind of control I wanted without taking hours to install (maybe my own suckage, but whatever) aptitude, well not pacman, wasn't far, all online images were up to date, and I had zero problems whatsoever. But thats not archs fault, just my own bad luck. But debian had something for me arch didn't, as arch has something for its users debian dosn't. Arch did teach me alot about linux in general, being yelled at on the forums improved my later and fewer help posts alot, so I respect and like arch, but perfer debian.

This guy thou, angred me at first, now he makes me chuckel. You don't like debian, arch, or ubuntu? What on earth do you use? Thats like half of everything!
    
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I run OpenBSD as a firewall/router on a PC-Engine Alix 2D3. I also run OpenBSD as my web/mail server on an Alix 1, I really love those boxes. My mac lappy died a while ago so I'm thinking of running OpenBSD on a pc laptop next.

I run FreeBSD on my htpc / fileserver (in a zfs only config since 2009 and multiple version upgrades later with no issues, it replaced my previous attempts with Arch hence the hate) and I run jails for various services. I run FreeBSD on my desktop, which replaced Arch too.

I work as an AIX admin in my day job.
Edited by CaptainBlame - 8/7/12 at 7:38pm
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Who's complaining it's breaking again?
Plan9 hasn't, I haven't, sure there's a few unfortunate issues that pop up. But we fully expect that and know the way to fix it. There's no complaining, just acknowledging that something has been a bit more troublesome as of late.
Copying and pasting what? exactly?

LOL you are a funny guy, you may not be complaining because love is blind. However the end users and your manager will be when your stuff don't run.
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What makes you think I like Debian? rolleyes.gif
Since you guys are not mindlessly copying and pasting things in, how is it your arch systems are still breaking? Is it because it is a poorly tested OS even when using good administration practices?
Its funny you guys are so closed minded, you will defend Arch till the grave, but in the same breath complain that it breaks.
You talk about Arch users and their superiority complex yet proceed to define them all as idiot pseudo-admins who "mindlessly copy and past things in". That doesn't sound hypocritical at all. rolleyes.gif
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I run OpenBSD as a firewall/router on a PC-Engine Alix 2D3. I also run OpenBSD as my web/mail server on an Alix 1, I really love those boxes. My mac lappy died a while ago so I'm thinking of running OpenBSD on a pc laptop next.
I run FreeBSD on my htpc / fileserver (in a zfs only config since 2009 and multiple version upgrades later with no issues, it replaced my previous attempts with Arch hence the hate) and I run jails for various services. I run FreeBSD on my desktop, which replaced Arch too.
I work as an AIX admin in my day job.
To be fair FreeBSD is a superior OS to Arch (and even most of Linux) in my opinion. But that's still no excuse to troll.

Also I've ran a FreeBSD desktop before; it was great for a while but the very reason I switch to Arch was because I got fed up of having to port all those miscellaneous FOSS software that (at the time at least) was Linux-only. While FreeBSD does has most bases covered, the few instances like the afore mentioned meant that I found myself more productive in Arch. That's just talking about desktops though. For servers it's a different matter entirely. I love my FreeBSD servers and wouldn't trade them for the world (though that annoying BSD bug which would cause random kernel panics on some AMD architectures had caught me out on a few occasions)

As of AIX, it's alright, but SunOS/Solaris would always get my vote when deciding on a Unix platform. It's just a pity Oracle now own it. frown.gif
Edited by Plan9 - 8/7/12 at 11:24pm
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