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Kind of stuck... not entirely sure what I want to do anymore.

Mounted the 360 to that interior plate/mount today and got to thinking and that is why I got stuck, lol, thinking is never good.

I put the rad in there and started messing around with placement. Now what I am currently leaning towards is not cutting out the front plate and letting the air from the bottom chamber feed the 360, plenty of room for it and would leave the front looking extremely clean. That way, the rad is mounted slightly further back in the case and, depending on config can work out to be:

  • easy swap out front plates
  • push/pull thin rad with front plate ventilation
  • push or pull on thin rad with no front plate ventilation (feed from bottom chamber)
  • push or pull on thick rad with front plate ventilation

So I am currently leaning toward the option with feeding from the bottom chamber. Reason I am leaning toward it is because it's just easier to do right now since I am not 100% settled with the ventilation design. That and it just makes things easier to personalize/customize in the future if I want to change things up. I figure it will probably give me ever so slightly higher temps since it will be getting some warm air from the bottom chamber due to the 480 exhaust but it shouldn't effect things too much I dont think?! It's not like I don't have plenty of rad space as is.

Anyways, just thinking out loud. Was initially going to have the rad/fans mounted as far forward as possible, but I think this new method will be better purely due to the options that in creates. I like the idea of being able to change out face plates.

Well, the second 670 should be here tomorrow, as well as some small stuff from Koolance. Fittings should be here soon as well, getting kind of nervous about them. Not sure if they'll have enough bite for the stainless pipe. Blah, lol. In the paranoia I bought a bunch of copper just in case. lol.
 
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Kind of stuck... not entirely sure what I want to do anymore.

Mounted the 360 to that interior plate/mount today and got to thinking and that is why I got stuck, lol, thinking is never good.

I put the rad in there and started messing around with placement. Now what I am currently leaning towards is not cutting out the front plate and letting the air from the bottom chamber feed the 360, plenty of room for it and would leave the front looking extremely clean. That way, the rad is mounted slightly further back in the case and, depending on config can work out to be:

  • easy swap out front plates
  • push/pull thin rad with front plate ventilation
  • push or pull on thin rad with no front plate ventilation (feed from bottom chamber)
  • push or pull on thick rad with front plate ventilation

So I am currently leaning toward the option with feeding from the bottom chamber. Reason I am leaning toward it is because it's just easier to do right now since I am not 100% settled with the ventilation design. That and it just makes things easier to personalize/customize in the future if I want to change things up. I figure it will probably give me ever so slightly higher temps since it will be getting some warm air from the bottom chamber due to the 480 exhaust but it shouldn't effect things too much I dont think?! It's not like I don't have plenty of rad space as is.

Anyways, just thinking out loud. Was initially going to have the rad/fans mounted as far forward as possible, but I think this new method will be better purely due to the options that in creates. I like the idea of being able to change out face plates.

Well, the second 670 should be here tomorrow, as well as some small stuff from Koolance. Fittings should be here soon as well, getting kind of nervous about them. Not sure if they'll have enough bite for the stainless pipe. Blah, lol. In the paranoia I bought a bunch of copper just in case. lol.
Stuck or not, this is just looking awesome:thumb:
As much as I like the custom TJ07 parts sold by ColdZero, nothing beats those hand-made aluminum panels you've made.
I have to agree that too much thinking is never good though, that's what has held up my build for so long.
That's an interesting idea to feed the airflow from the bottom to the front rad. The trouble with opening up the front bay for airflow is that it doesn't look as clean as a full solid plate.
Look at the current Murderbox MKII, Charles had Silverstone produce custom TJ07 unibody structures that have no front cutout to speak of, other than the thin slats and the bottom 5.25 spot:
www.murderbox.com/mkii/

Your easy swap out front plates would be unique as well, you could change the look and configuration at will.
I guess the only way to see how the temps will be is to try it. You could change the ventilation accordingly, if it wasn't enough airflow to the front rad without any cutouts.
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Stuck or not, this is just looking awesome:thumb:
As much as I like the custom TJ07 parts sold by ColdZero, nothing beats those hand-made aluminum panels.
I have to agree that too much thinking is never good though, that's what has held up my build for so long.
That's an interesting idea to feed the airflow from the bottom to the front rad. The trouble with opening up the front bay for airflow is that it doesn't look as clean as a full solid plate.
Look at the current Murderbox MKII, Charles had Silverstone produce custom TJ07 unibody structures that have no front cutout to speak of, other than the thin slats and the bottom 5.25 spot:
www.murderbox.com/mkii/
Your easy swap out front plates would be unique as well, you could change the look and configuration at will.
I guess the only way to see how the temps will be is to try it. You could change the ventilation accordingly, if it wasn't enough airflow to the front rad without any cutouts.

Thank you redface.gif

At one point I was considering welding the plate on and grinding it smooth to mimic that unibody structure then decided against it. I can still at will, change the case back to stock in a matter of a few minutes. Trying my best to make the case as flexible as possible so I can mod it and make it workable for future builds. Kind of the main reason I wanted to do the 8-slot conversion.

Guess we'll just have to see how things go. Decided a while ago anyways that I wasn't going to get things powder coated until February or so just in case I wanted to change anything. Want to live with it for a little while just to make sure I don't need to drill or cut anything after it gets powder coated, lol.

Thanks again +rep to ya thumb.gif
 
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Kind of stuck... not entirely sure what I want to do anymore.
Mounted the 360 to that interior plate/mount today and got to thinking and that is why I got stuck, lol, thinking is never good.
I put the rad in there and started messing around with placement. Now what I am currently leaning towards is not cutting out the front plate and letting the air from the bottom chamber feed the 360, plenty of room for it and would leave the front looking extremely clean. That way, the rad is mounted slightly further back in the case and, depending on config can work out to be:
  • easy swap out front plates
  • push/pull thin rad with front plate ventilation
  • push or pull on thin rad with no front plate ventilation (feed from bottom chamber)
  • push or pull on thick rad with front plate ventilation
So I am currently leaning toward the option with feeding from the bottom chamber. Reason I am leaning toward it is because it's just easier to do right now since I am not 100% settled with the ventilation design. That and it just makes things easier to personalize/customize in the future if I want to change things up. I figure it will probably give me ever so slightly higher temps since it will be getting some warm air from the bottom chamber due to the 480 exhaust but it shouldn't effect things too much I dont think?! It's not like I don't have plenty of rad space as is.
Anyways, just thinking out loud. Was initially going to have the rad/fans mounted as far forward as possible, but I think this new method will be better purely due to the options that in creates. I like the idea of being able to change out face plates.
Well, the second 670 should be here tomorrow, as well as some small stuff from Koolance. Fittings should be here soon as well, getting kind of nervous about them. Not sure if they'll have enough bite for the stainless pipe. Blah, lol. In the paranoia I bought a bunch of copper just in case. lol.

I feel your pain. Every time I stop and look at my build I get new ideas that change the last days worth of work. Yours is coming along nice, and I envy your sheet metal work. I'm way too lazy to try and fab everything hence why I went with coldzero biggrin.gif. Keep up the good work thumb.gif
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I feel your pain. Every time I stop and look at my build I get new ideas that change the last days worth of work. Yours is coming along nice, and I envy your sheet metal work. I'm way too lazy to try and fab everything hence why I went with coldzero biggrin.gif. Keep up the good work thumb.gif

Haha, yeah, stopping and looking it bitter sweet. lol.
Lazy certainly isn't a bad thing, especially when it still involves kickass products and final build.
Thank you thumb.gif +rep to you as well, lol. In a repping mood and I'm slightly bummed about the slow progress.
 
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Haha, yeah, stopping and looking it bitter sweet. lol.
Lazy certainly isn't a bad thing, especially when it still involves kickass products and final build.
Thank you thumb.gif +rep to you as well, lol. In a repping mood and I'm slightly bummed about the slow progress.
Rushing through something like this is never a good idea, and in the end you would probably regret a lot of hasty decisions. So, slow and steady wins the race for sure! biggrin.gif
 
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Rushing through something like this is never a good idea, and in the end you would probably regret a lot of hasty decisions. So, slow and steady wins the race for sure! biggrin.gif

That I agree with. Trying my best to only do that to things that will/can change.

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Stuck or not, this is just looking awesome:thumb:
As much as I like the custom TJ07 parts sold by ColdZero, nothing beats those hand-made aluminum panels.
I have to agree that too much thinking is never good though, that's what has held up my build for so long.
That's an interesting idea to feed the airflow from the bottom to the front rad. The trouble with opening up the front bay for airflow is that it doesn't look as clean as a full solid plate.
Look at the current Murderbox MKII, Charles had Silverstone produce custom TJ07 unibody structures that have no front cutout to speak of, other than the thin slats and the bottom 5.25 spot:
www.murderbox.com/mkii/
Your easy swap out front plates would be unique as well, you could change the look and configuration at will.
I guess the only way to see how the temps will be is to try it. You could change the ventilation accordingly, if it wasn't enough airflow to the front rad without any cutouts.

Thank you redface.gif

At one point I was considering welding the plate on and grinding it smooth to mimic that unibody structure then decided against it. I can still at will, change the case back to stock in a matter of a few minutes. Trying my best to make the case as flexible as possible so I can mod it and make it workable for future builds. Kind of the main reason I wanted to do the 8-slot conversion.

Guess we'll just have to see how things go. Decided a while ago anyways that I wasn't going to get things powder coated until February or so just in case I wanted to change anything. Want to live with it for a little while just to make sure I don't need to drill or cut anything after it gets powder coated, lol.

Thanks again +rep to ya thumb.gif
Well, I thank you for the rep, it's much appreciated.smile.gif
While we're discussing the front of the TJ's unibody, I wanted your opinion on a mod that I'm considering doing. It may be beneficial to your case with the front mounted 360, or not!
I'm likely going to supplement my 480 with either a 240 or 360 in the front panel as I've mentioned before. But I'm considering eliminating the front drop-down usb door and cutting it out to a 5.25 hole size, so there would be eight 5.25 slots in the front bay instead of seven. I already removed the usb panel and will be fitting a Bulgin Vandal switch in the front, so the drop-down door is really of no use to me now.

It has, of course, been done before.
It would be easy enough to cut the front door hole out to size, but precision would be important to avoid borking it!
I guess with yours, you'd have eight slots in the back, and eight slots in the front!biggrin.gif

Your idea of welding a plate on the front would really be radical. But it's probably best to keep it flexible by not going that route.
Yep, like they say, do all your cutting mods before the powder coating!
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Well, I thank you for the rep, it's much appreciated.smile.gif
While we're discussing the front of the TJ's unibody, I wanted your opinion on a mod that I'm considering doing. It may be beneficial to your case with the front mounted 360, or not!
I'm likely going to supplement my 480 with either a 240 or 360 in the front panel as I've mentioned before. But I'm considering eliminating the front drop-down usb door and cutting it out to a 5.25 hole size, so there would be eight 5.25 slots in the front bay instead of seven. I already removed the usb panel and will be fitting a Bulgin Vandal switch in the front, so the drop-down door is really of no use to me now.
It has, of course, been done before. Here is a photo of one that CaseKing was apparently selling: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I did some further research, and Ricardo from ColdZero has also done this mod on at least one of his builds: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
He also fitted two Bulgin switches and made a custom plate for that one:rolleyes:
It would be easy enough to cut the front door hole out to size, but precision would be important to avoid borking it!
I guess with yours, you'd have eight slots in the back, and eight slots in the front!biggrin.gif
Your idea of welding a plate on the front would really be radical. But it's probably best to keep it flexible by not going that route.
Yep, like they say, do all your cutting mods before the powder coating!

Yeah, I say go for it. I was considering doing that in the beginning on only swayed away from it because i wanted to leave the TJ07 as untouched as possible just in case I wanted to return it to stock. It'd certainly be easy enough. Just roughly cut it out then file it to perfection.

Certainly not a bad way of doing things though. Makes creating from panels easier since you'd just be creating a rectangle, lol.

I approve, lol. That 3.5" drop down is absolutely worthless.
 
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So I'll have pics and stuff up tomorrow of various progress but thought I would just mention this now...

I'll be going to copper tubing after all, but not with a copper finish, lol. The fittings simply can't bit the stainless hard enough for my liking. It certainly holds and holds pretty well but it can be pulled out with enough force from just be really pulling on it. It gets a really amazing bit on copper so I'll just be doing that for piece of mind.

Kind of a bummer but I tested a couple things today with the copper and got a finish I will be pleased with I think.
 
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