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not o mention guys but your comparing procs that will all be sub 250.00 to procs that range anywhere from 350.00 upto 1000.00 hell at that point they're not in the same ballpark , for that mater they're not even playing the same sport ! my point is that if your on a budget or just dont want to shell out that kinda cash amd's a good middle of the road kinda cpu , if you need that little bit of extra performance quit bashing amd for what they are and go get an intel . lets face it the days of the athlon woopin up on intel are gone thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

Some do that indeed, however, quite many I have seen have done comparison with i5's which is sitting at the same price point of ~200 $. AMD offer has its merits in specific loads but as it stands currently the i5 seem to going to be remaining as general "king of the hill" at that pricepoint for now for doing everything reasonably well at that point. That out of the way AMD will be able to offer good deals if they will price the piledriver according to its performance and don't repeat the crap pricing they did at bulldozer launch.
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Some do that indeed, however, quite many I have seen have done comparison with i5's which is sitting at the same price point of ~200 $. AMD offer has its merits in specific loads but as it stands currently the i5 seem to going to be remaining as general "king of the hill" at that pricepoint for now for doing everything reasonably well at that point. That out of the way AMD will be able to offer good deals if they will price the piledriver according to its performance and don't repeat the crap pricing they did at bulldozer launch.

True enough , but from my earlier post i've shown that i was able to hit 2600k levels with my amd 8150 , but to hit those levels requires alot of overclocking and those levels of voltage required the use of at a minimum a h100 watercooler and the temps were still not that great at load . but i do understand the point that your making , well put .
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HT isn't an extra core, it's tricking the OS that there is so it can send more instructions into the one pipeline in otherwise blank bits, this is why some applications (eg. LinX) show lower performance with HT on due to cache thrashing and the like, BDs CMT is literally the opposite in that HT duplicates the front-end but leaves the back-end as original whereas CMT duplicates the back-end (The pipelines, etc) without duplicating the front-end.
That's all in laymans terms, before someone jumps down my throat on the inaccuracies.

Just my 2cents

You forgot to mention something though. HT is not just modified front end, though it can be seen this way. The HT pipeline itself is modified in such a way as to take advantage of the beefier front end that can send instructions from the "real" and the "virtual" core. As far as I remember the transistor count of a HT enable pipeline is something like 5% larger than it would have been otherwise, I have read this on RWT a while ago.
Since not all the pipe/FE/BE is doubled (practically what a second ALU would be) one can find an algorithm, LinX or other, that would suffocate this admittedly beefier pipeline. As I see it a current HT-enabled core is composed by a beefier FE, very slightly beefier pipe, while CMT ALUs use a different type of beefier FE and completely separate pipelines.
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Waited for a justification on going AM3+, now I feel a little better about it. Looking forward to seeing what their 6 core PD can do.
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Bulldozer -> Disabled Parts, Memory Bottleneck(deals with disabled parts), Floating Point Bottleneck.
Piledriver -> Floating Point Bottleneck.
Steamroller -> X new problems.
Excavator -> Less X new problems.
All four Bulldozer-derived architectures in a nutshell.

yeah I wonder about that memory bottleneck The only thing I could think of was the Crossbar still only supports Single writes vs the module's Dual write capability. ( my god its from the K8 days) I think it needs a ring but of some sort.

yeah The floating point is TOO slow. I wonder if that has anything to do with a "singular scheduler" it how ever is dual thread according to AMD schematics

anyone notice Steamroller has less cache back down to 512Kbytes ?
Any kind of Miss in the L2 cache does not go to said "victim cache L3" in FX in stead it has to go all the way out to main memory for congruences.
The cache latency not a problem either Core 2 duo used about 18-20 cycles on it's L2 cache although it's associativity was higher pre-Kbyte.

I think their is a TLB overflow causing some sort of thrashing also.
    
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wait Amd's Floating point sucks? this is news to me

Just because amd paired two integer cores with 1 fpu, doesn't mean its floating performance sucks. I know everyone loves sisoft sandra so here we go.



the float performance is just fine, some might say its due to new instruction sets, but its both are true really. Amd's FPU units are good.
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wait Amd's Floating point sucks? this is news to me
Just because amd paired two integer cores with 1 fpu, doesn't mean its floating performance sucks. I know everyone loves sisoft sandra so here we go.

the float performance is just fine, some might say its due to new instruction sets, but its both are true really. Amd's FPU units are good.

I didn't say it sucked, I said it's too SLOW.

SiSoft Sandra had to be updated, to support FX, and llano.
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2011/5/25/sisoft-sandra-2011-sp2b-updates-for-amd-fusion-llano2c-fx-bulldozer.aspx
    
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wait Amd's Floating point sucks? this is news to me

Just because amd paired two integer cores with 1 fpu, doesn't mean its floating performance sucks. I know everyone loves sisoft sandra so here we go.



the float performance is just fine, some might say its due to new instruction sets, but its both are true really. Amd's FPU units are good.

Check real-world out. It's good but not great.
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wait Amd's Floating point sucks? this is news to me
Just because amd paired two integer cores with 1 fpu, doesn't mean its floating performance sucks. I know everyone loves sisoft sandra so here we go.

the float performance is just fine, some might say its due to new instruction sets, but its both are true really. Amd's FPU units are good.

I didn't say it sucked, I said it's too SLOW.

SiSoft Sandra had to be updated, to support FX, and llano.
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2011/5/25/sisoft-sandra-2011-sp2b-updates-for-amd-fusion-llano2c-fx-bulldozer.aspx

"Given that we know what AMD did with memory controllers in their Fusion A-Series (Llano) APU and FX-Series (Bulldozer) CPU processors (read: not a whole lot)"

Holy crap, do they know anything about what AMD has actually done internally to their chips? Because you can get an IMC to go from struggling with 1866Mhz often to being one of the highest clocking in the industry with just timings...
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Next Gen AMD FX CPUs and AMD FX CPUs and desktop AMD A4 & A6 APUs available in late Q3 2012. Subject to change.
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So the desktop portfolio for the "VOLÁN" platform, consisting of consists of a Vishera-FX socket AM3 + and a Radeon HD 7000 from the FX-8350, the FX-6300 and the FX 4320; the beginning called FX-8300 is reserved as its predecessor (FX-8100) OEMs such as HP. The new FX flagship added 4.0 GHz base clock and so 400 MHz more than the FX-8150. The FX-6300 succeeded the FX-6100 with 3.5 to 4.1 GHz and FX 4320 running 4.0 to 4.2 GHz. In addition, the quick reference guide reveals the frequencies of the smallest Trinity APU, the A4-5300; These were only under embargo to learn - all other specs are known.

The Vishera-such as the Trinity chips are expected in October or November. Yesterday was still a rumor to stir, that the development of the Vishera CPUs was stopped.

via

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AMD Piledriver (FX-Vishera) Core Frequencies Confirmed – Flagship FX-8350 Throttles upto 4.2GHz
http://wccftech.com/amd-piledriver-fxvishera-core-frequencies-confirmed-flagship-fx8350-throttles-upto-42ghz/
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