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... You honestly think a FX-8*** can't handle a 660? doh.gif

Not what I said at all!!

From my experience, it performs on par stock for stock with a 2500k and a 7970. proof.gif is here.

The only reason I would recommend a core i is if you are running dual cards. With 1 7970 I noticed no FPS change between my 8150 and my 3570k, but when I switched to 2 it made a world of difference using the 3570k.

Sure FX is more money than core i, but the boards for AM3+ are WAYYY cheaper with way more features. If my friend was doing a budget build for ~$1K around January, I would totally set them up with a 7970/670 and a 8350.
   
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You have a reason to complain about performance if you were like me and had dual 7970's with a 8150, however if you have an 8150 and a GTX650/660/660 TI then you have no reason to complain what so ever, game performance with those level cards or AMD Equivalents will be similar to 3570k due to a GPU bottleneck.
Glad to replace my 8150 with an 3570k in my gaming rig, but I think my studio PC/ Ableton will LOVE the 8 cores, 3 tracks with basic effects hits 21% usage on my 3570k, I get to find out in 2 days. smile.gif

Maybe with a GTX 650, but since a GTX 660 and 660ti is basically a GTX 580 and up, you can still run into a CPU bottleneck in certain titles. Specifically for me it was Starcraft 2. And it was even worse since it only really utilized 2 threads, so it made my FX-8120 hold it back from getting 60fps.

Then again I am one of those few who are basically anal about getting at least 60fps in all my games. For the vast majority of users they will probably not be bothered with 30fps and an AMD FX CPU will do just fine.

That's because Starcraft 2 is a CPU limited game...Even Ivy Bridge bottlenecks on it iirc, as with most RTS', even the i5 3570k @ 4.2Ghz behind me can't run Sins of a Solar Empire Rebellion at 60fps for an entire game with the max players, etc but it does better than my FX-4170 still.
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... You honestly think a FX-8*** can't handle a 660? doh.gif

It won't on SC2, my 955 at 4.3GHz couldn't handle a 560ti in SC2 not every game can use 9.001x10^9001 cores, and I don't see that changing any time soon since the pipeline is not so easy to split up. I think the games that do support many threads just offload networking and sound etc off to other threads, but the graphics pipeline is still very sequential and the more crap that gets thrown into it the more that CPU's with poor single threaded performance will suffer unless a solution is found to make many cores act as one, or some way to use many cores to complete the frame.

SC2 has lots going on like all the AI's pathing, physics (if on), networking (going to be a lot since every unit has to be updated between clients) and the graphics pipeline, and stick that with sound onto two threads, slower CPU's have a hard time completing all of that and being able to send the GPU commands at the same time, so yeah it will bottleneck.

Most of it is actually keeping each and every unit on screen and existing/doing something, they probably could multi-thread that fairly well (Make it so each is on a separate thread) but there's not usually much need to since RTS players are used to being CPU bottlenecked all the time anyway, hell, Sins of a Solar Empire still bottlenecks any modern CPU and it's from 2008.
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SC2 is surprisingly hard to run. Even at 2560x1440 it's CPU bound and just doesn't stop scaling.

ding ding we have a winner. StarCrap 2 is not gpu limited, but cpu limited. It doesn't matter what cpu you have, if you have a faster one you will get more fps. In my book Sc2 stands for Supreme Commander 2 (it was out first) just not as popular.

Starcrap 2 is not a game you build around, because it is a game unlike the others which is actually cpu limited vs gpu. Its poorly coded.

Actually, a lot of games are CPU bottlenecked these days, Minecraft is for example (My girlfriend literally doubles my FPS despite her HD7850 @ stock not being much faster than an 800Mhz GTX 470, it's due to her CPU), The Sims 3 is mainly HDD bottlenecked but when it's on an SSD it really does use your CPU heavily, practically every RTS is also CPU limited and iirc Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 is poorly coded and really relies on your CPU more than anything, Starcraft 2 probably could be threaded a bit better but is actually coded quite well iirc.
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Sure FX is more money than core i, but the boards for AM3+ are WAYYY cheaper with way more features.

Not if you're smart, you get the FX-4100 or FX-4170 because they're not much slower clock for clock than the FX-6*** and FX-81** in games and cost about as much as an i3. biggrin.gif
    
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FX-8350 - http://www.overclock.net/t/1291114/coolaler-amd-piledriver-fx-vishera-engineering-sample-benchmarks/560#post_18212650

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PII X4 3.9ghz
p2r115_zps2a7373ff4dde1.jpg

p2r13_zps58456c2eipjrl.jpg

r11.5- 5.27
r13- 4.41


FX 8150 4.5ghz
fxr115_zpsf303d776tnkm6.jpg

fxr13_zps1c5ef1e6arkr9.jpg

r11.5- 3.15
r13- 2.49


2600K 4.5ghz
sbr115_zps54080ed5a5j91.jpg

sbr13_zpsa03f68a8czjx6.jpg

r11.5 - 2.51
r13- 2.33

vishera will be faster than old SB in cinema4d r13 clock to clock, nice after almost 2 years

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Ok , I used Maxforces' file to test :

As first I could say that the rendering times are not always the same with this file/renderer , I tried ~ 5 times at the frequency 4.5ghz .

Lowest ~ 2'21"
Highest ~ 2'35"

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So I decided to test in both 800*600 & 1200*900 resolution so that someone who need/want can compare with higher res :

Default:

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@4.5ghz:

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And I also render the file cpu.c4d in cinebench R11.5 roof folder :

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Hope you like it .Goodbye everyone.

800*600

FX 8150 4.5ghz
r11.5- 3.15
r13- 2.49

2600K 4.5ghz
r11.5 - 2.51
r13- 2.33

FX 8350 4.5ghz r13
"Lowest ~ 2'21"
Highest ~ 2'35""


r13
FX-8150 vs FX-8350 = ~6-13% (~9%)
Edited by Metric - 9/28/12 at 10:34pm
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FX 8150 4.5ghz ... r13- 2.49
FX 8350 4.5ghz r13
"Lowest ~ 2'21"
Highest ~ 2'35"
r13
FX-8150 vs FX-8350 = ~6-13% (~9%)

What I've highlited by using bold text is time - e.g 2.49 means 2 min. 49 sec.
So, the last part should go like this:

r13
FX-8150 vs FX-8350 = ~9-20% (~14.5%)

And now it's OK smile.gif
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Correct, which is unfortunate as I spent a while running time percentage on another completely unrelated matter, but for some reason, ran straight scores once I made that post.

.09 on slowest run -- 9% increase over FX-8150
.19858156 on fastest run -- 20% increase over FX-8150

.14189189 -- ~14.2% increase over FX-8150

Remaining runs, out of five total, not able to be calculated.
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thats a respectable increase to me redface.gif
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Does this mean I should buy shares in AMD?
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AMD (stock) is pretty close to a 52-week low. It's a pretty good buy right now; the only question is whether you want to wait for them to release their earnings report on October 18th. If they're bad, the stock will likely dip to new lows and you'll be able to pick up a bunch of shares on the cheap. If it's positive, share price will pick up a bit and it won't be as good of a deal.

Enthusiast desktop parts are a pretty small piece of their revenue pie; most of the money comes from the server market, GPUs and (probably) things like contracts with the console manufacturers for GPU development. You're probably not going to be able to get a gain on it short term, but if Steamroller and Excavator are good and HSA becomes an industry standard, shares could easily triple in value, maybe more. In short, it's a pretty risky play with some potential for gains 3-5 years down the road. Analysts are neutral to negative on it, but meh, analysts. Use your own judgment.

Disclosure: No position in AMD ATM, though I've been keeping an eye on it for some time looking for a place to jump in.
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AMD (stock) is pretty close to a 52-week low. It's a pretty good buy right now; the only question is whether you want to wait for them to release their earnings report on October 18th. If they're bad, the stock will likely dip to new lows and you'll be able to pick up a bunch of shares on the cheap. If it's positive, share price will pick up a bit and it won't be as good of a deal.
Enthusiast desktop parts are a pretty small piece of their revenue pie; most of the money comes from the server market, GPUs and (probably) things like contracts with the console manufacturers for GPU development. You're probably not going to be able to get a gain on it short term, but if Steamroller and Excavator are good and HSA becomes an industry standard, shares could easily triple in value, maybe more. In short, it's a pretty risky play with some potential for gains 3-5 years down the road. Analysts are neutral to negative on it, but meh, analysts. Use your own judgment.
Disclosure: No position in AMD ATM, though I've been keeping an eye on it for some time looking for a place to jump in.

How many would you recommend that I pick up if I chose to buy?
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So how does the "15%" increase hold up to what AMD said?
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