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Next move: release DirectX 12 on Win8 only.

Nothing will make use of the new APIs until 2020.
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Originally Posted by lordikon View Post

You're joking, right? You still have a desktop, with access to all of the same apps as Windows 7, and you can put icons for those on your desktop if you wish.
As for "slower", Windows 8 is actually quite a bit faster.
You can still get directly to msconfig and cmd, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Windows key -> type 'msconfig' -> hit enter. Same steps as the last 4 windows versions.
msconfig
cmd
Well, nobody is forcing you to buy it. Sorry that 1 click is just too much for you. This coming from a community that would go through the process of custom building a PC, dealing with driver versions and bugs, just to play their games at a few more FPS in some cases. But it's an inconvenience to have to click just once during a boot of your machine.
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This is an excellent point, really.
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Really?
Have you been paying attention to the number of people who are complaining about being FORCED to deal with a tablet/phone interface on their desktop?
baaasmiley.gif

I know it seems counter-intuitive, but remember when Microsoft Office introduced the ribbon? It was stupid, everyone hated it, and nobody knew where anything was. All my coworkers complained about it when we upgraded but if I were to give them a computer with Office 2007 on it now they would complain.

The point is, people will complain now and for the next year or two, but eventually people will learn how to use it. Once people know how to use it they won't be as vocal about their complaints, even if they still don't like it. Give it several more years after that and they'll probably complain if you took it away.
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It's not a big deal, but seeing Microsoft literally force "Metro" concerns me. I personally don't mind Metro, and will be upgrading for the speed and function boost over 7, which is already very snappy and refined.
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post #25 of 527
What I really don't get is why they feel so obligated to shove metro down our throats. Certainly they've heard the complaints about their new interface, why wouldn't they fully support an option to bypass it and use Windows like we're used to already? I like all the other features Windows 8 is boasting, but the metro thing is really killing it for me.
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OH MY GAWD IT TAKES 0.5 MORE SECONDS TO GET TO MY DESKTOP I REFUSE TO BUY WINDOWS 8
(Probably less, too, if you use the start button on your keyboard)

It's rather annoying that there's at least one person who has to make some sarcastic response like this against the majority (at least, the majority who post here, which in no way reflects the majority "out there").

No, i don't accept what Microsoft have done here. I don't need something to further hinder my ability to search and manage my files because they want to implement a UI that further uses the mouse, which can be terribly inaccurate and in many cases, slow me right down.

Sorry that it troubles some of you, but Windows 8 will not be on my wishlist. What i think they're doing here is trying to make a UI that will possibly appeal to future technologies, that may, or may not fail. Perhaps they have some stake in it other than the success of their OS. Thats the only way i can explain/assume why Microsoft are coming out with this crap.
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What I really don't get is why they feel so obligated to shove metro down our throats. Certainly they've heard the complaints about their new interface, why wouldn't they fully support an option to bypass it and use Windows like we're used to already? I like all the other features Windows 8 is boasting, but the metro thing is really killing it for me.

It would've been in their best interest to keep both in, then they can guage its appeal better. although i'm sure they'll find out come W8's release.
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Well, nobody is forcing you to buy it. Sorry that 1 click is just too much for you. This coming from a community that would go through the process of custom building a PC, dealing with driver versions and bugs, just to play their games at a few more FPS in some cases. But it's an inconvenience to have to click just once during a boot of your machine.

I do far more than just game on this machine. You're right though, i won't be buying it tongue.gif
Edited by Thingamajig - 8/7/12 at 11:21am
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Oh no, I have to click on things now? Boo hoo.

Yes, it is a boo hoo. Microsoft has effectively reduced the productivity of Windows with all this metrofication. There will be significant backlash due to this in the working sector.
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post #28 of 527
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It takes one click to get from "metro" to the desktop, is it really that big of a deal?

Yes it most certainly is.

Metro isn't just going to go away. Its not some feature that you can just ignore. If we keep allowing Microsoft these tiny victories pretty soon they'll be invading Poland.


If it takes one click now, how long will it take in the future? Will you even be able to use Windows without Metro? If we don't voice our opinions now, then in a few years Windows will be nothing more than a glorified mobile OS designed for people too stupid to know they can resize their applications.
    
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post #29 of 527
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I know it seems counter-intuitive, but remember when Microsoft Office introduced the ribbon? It was stupid, everyone hated it, and nobody knew where anything was. All my coworkers complained about it when we upgraded but if I were to give them a computer with Office 2007 on it now they would complain.
The point is, people will complain now and for the next year or two, but eventually people will learn how to use it. Once people know how to use it they won't be as vocal about their complaints, even if they still don't like it. Give it several more years after that and they'll probably complain if you took it away.

Funny you should mention that. We tried ribbon, and everyone hated it. Guess what? We still use Office 2003. We refused to spend $20,000 to upgrade all our copies of Office. Too bad for Microsoft. I'm sure they don't need out $20,000 per upgrade phase plus the loss of money by us not switching to Windows 8. We'll stick with what works and doesn't look like hell. If they "intentionally break" it, then we'll move away from Windows 7 and Office 2003 and on to other non-Microsoft products.
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It takes one click to get from "metro" to the desktop, is it really that big of a deal?


If it isn't such a big deal, how come Microsoft intentionally went out of their way to REMOVE the ability.

Exactly!

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The argument can go both ways: Why do the customers make a big deal about it? Well, why does Microsoft make a big deal about it by forcing it down our throats?

And this too!

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Originally Posted by lordikon View Post


As for "slower", Windows 8 is actually quite a bit faster.

Are you sure ? How many weeks or months have you or any other user been using Windows 8 ? I don't know of anybody who has used the latest version extensively to simulate many weeks or months of usage to determine if it is still as fast as on a fresh install. And THAT is what matters. All I have is my own experience of having a system using Windows Developer Preview for many months and all I can say is that it still boots fast, but starting applications has gotten slower. But then again, this is the Developer Preview, but I had the time to test it in a realistic scenario. For the latest build, how many people have done an as close to reality as possible usage scenario to determine if it can keep it's speed ?

Many people couldn't care less if Windows 8 boots fast to the desktop, well, alas, now you even can't, so that 1 extra click is going to in part nullify that, and many people put their desktops in Sleep Mode, so boot is no longer that important, but what people really want to know is if, after weeks of usage, of installing and uninstalling programs, it still performs faster.

Do you have any data to back up your claim ? Or is your claim just based on what Microsoft said compared to a fresh install of Windows 7 ?
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Well, nobody is forcing you to buy it. Sorry that 1 click is just too much for you. This coming from a community that would go through the process of custom building a PC, dealing with driver versions and bugs, just to play their games at a few more FPS in some cases. But it's an inconvenience to have to click just once during a boot of your machine.

Oh really, nobody is forcing nobody to buy a new laptop or desktop ? What if you need a new computer ? Can you buy a laptop or desktop without Windows or Mac OS ? Can you get a laptop with Linux ? Very few companies offer you that choice.

The argument that nobody is forcing nobody to buy it is only valid for people that already have a computer. That argument is not valid for new purchases for people that never had a computer before or need a new one, and that is why I phrased the OP the way I did, because I already know the kind of argument that is usually made.
Edited by tpi2007 - 8/7/12 at 11:28am
 
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