Originally Posted by lordikon
I didn't say you had to like it, I just said it's best to adapt to it.
Change will happen, whether you like it or not. There are people that love newspapers, yet those will still go away eventually replaced by digital media, or people that love CDs, or people that loved DOS, etc.
You cannot use Windows 7 forever, at some point change affect you whether you want it to or not. In my job, I must embrace change quickly. I started out making games for PC and Mac, and in the 4 years I spent on just one game the gaming industry went from having no iPhone/Android to having iOS sales alone outstrip Microsoft's total profits. Did I think I'd be where I am now a few years ago, no, but I have to embrace it and adapt anyway, or I'll become the old people that I dread that have outdated skills and knowledge.
Originally Posted by lordikon
The 4 years I mentioned was with NetDevil and LEGO. I'm now working at Backflip Studios.
Another example of change. I have to use XCode now to develop games, which is pretty terrible compared to Visual Studio, but I have to embrace it anyhow, and learn how to be efficient within the IDE.
We're back to square one. You think it's best to adapt to something regardless if you think it's actually worse. You just said it in your last post when you talked about having to work with Xcode. I understand you have to make do to make a living and are possibly not in the best position to try to contribute to changes so that the platform is better, but still, you are a lot more qualified than me to propose changes and be taken seriously, yet you sound like you just resigned yourself to work with whatever gets thrown your way without even trying to propose changes to the guys who make the platform so that your own work gets easier and more productive.
I'm not saying you have the best chances to succeed, but your general attitude seems to be a general deterrent to make any serious incursions in that field.
With all my posts I try to get a better product. I make objective criticism, I point out things that worked before in Windows 7 and now don't in Windows 8, I'm not here to bash just to bash, I do it with constructivism, yet some people just choose to ignore that part. I have made suggestions as to how this could all be mitigated and the discussion be made largely irrelevant, but obviously Microsoft wants you and me to see the Metro start screen at every boot-up so we might eventually buy something from their store, taking away 30% of the price, eventually cutting into your profit margins. This is one of the problems why they won't make Metro a desktop application that could work in windowed mode (the other is the fact that Metro is vectorized and the desktop still isn't, which is something they will have to correct in Windows 9, leading me to believe that Windows 9 will solve most if not all the problems 8 has).
This is as much a technical criticism as a company strategy criticism. In the end I hope to get a better OS. I have ideas to suggest for changes. I don't resign to use whatever gets thrown to my way. And in a sense I have a lot more freedom than you. I, and all the other users get to decide what eventually you will be using as your development platform. If we don't buy Windows 8 or even if we do but we don't embrace the store, you won't be programming that kind of apps. In a sense I have a lot more responsibility to try and change for the better, but you're a consumer too, you can have your say too, and I'm not sure how far the Lordikon the professional programmer is hindering Lordikon the consumer in that task.
Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric
Go back to the last page. Lordikon posted a screenie of multiple apps opened in the metro interface. Seems like a cool idea to have a small metro representation on the left side that you can click into any app while maintaining each app at full screen on the right...
I saw that, and it doesn't answer his question. You can't have three (his question), or two or even one resizeable Metro app on your desktop, mingling with other desktop applications, you can't even have them on your desktop with the traditional taskbar visible, period. The only thing you can have is two Metro apps (and not all), side by side in Metro mode, or one Metro and one desktop also side by side, with no window placement options, because Metro style apps are not really windows, they are just able to stand side by side. And as you will see, not every program will do that properly. You can have a weather app use the lesser part of the screen and then the Metro style web browser use the rest, but it will always be a compromise, because this is essentially designed for tablets where you only work with one application at a time. This is the best Microsoft could come up with to try to mitigate the fact that this isn't really "Windows" any more. They even said officially that Windows 8 RT is not really Windows anymore. They call it Windows 8 but say it's not really Windows anymore. How much more less coherent can they get ?Edited by tpi2007 - 8/8/12 at 10:39am