[NeoGaf/WGTC] Accept Steam Agreement Or Disable Your Account - Page 16

Best thing to do for everyone in the future is just buy multiplayer only games on Steam, if its a strong single player game like Skyrim then u would be better off just getting the retail game at launch at GS/Target as Steam maybe gives a 5 dollar discount max on new releases unless its a Valve release like CS or HL. If the game is good, Steam knows that and they keep the price the same as retai even 6 months afterl so why buy a licence over the real copy for a difference of 5 bucks on certain games? Also if u buy the game and it sucks, u can return it to a Brick and Mortar in some cases or at least sell on CL for a 10 buck loss, but with Steam..........

Only game I feel I got on Steam at a bargain was L4D collection. Games like AVP, Just Cause 2, Duke Nukem Forever were so cheap but they were cheap for a reason. I could have used that cash to buy a game I would actually play like Skyrim,Diablo 3,Portal 2,etc.
Edited by dlee7283 - 8/8/12 at 12:56am

doesn't deserve a response or you just ran out of arguement?

You are wrong.
You are not buying the right to use the license. You are buying the actual license. And as the license is not time limited, steam can not take away your license.

More to the point, I'm point out at games which work only with steam. For example duke nukem forever. Even if you buy the physical dvd copy, you can't play the game without running steam.
So if you only have that game, and you do not agree with steam, you just bought a useless dvd for nothing.
And there are a lot more examples.

So steam decision, to force you out of your games because you do not agree with you will never sue them if you have a dispute with them over payment or another issue, is like you buying a TV, and 3 months later you get in a mail a letter, saying that the warranty has been changed that if you used the TV, no warranty at all, even though it said differently in the original warranty.

See the problem?

Saying "YOU DO NOT OWN ANYTHING" in all capital letters means absolutely nothing.
If someone has the means (aka money and law education), and can say "no" and sue the hell out of steam.
99.99% of steam users do not have the means or knowledge to fight steam, so they are forced to say "oh ok, I agree even though I don't really agree", because they are forced to. They are under a major disadvantage here.

Buying a game off steam is not like playing WoW or EvE or any other mmo. You are playing a specific game which you can buy either in a local store or online. But need to provide a similar service regarding the buying experience and owner's rights.

Ideally, this is how it should work. But i think you agreed to valves TOS upon your first game purchase. The games are on loan, nothing more.

I never said you're buying a right to use a license.
And no you're not buying the actual license, you're paying for the license to be on a steam account.
Steam isn't taking your games away, your games depend on the service you chose to license them to.
They're taking away your access to said service.

Had any of you read the ToS to begin with you'd understand what you're purchasing.

And as I said before
Unless you were planning a lawsuit against Valve, nothing has changed for you as an end user.
Just accept the new terms and move on.
Edited by OwnedINC - 8/8/12 at 12:58am

Best thing to do is just for people not to even buy games on Steam anymore if possible.

Maybe in the UK you are fine with this kind of business practice, but this is supremely Un-American to people in the States and the way our culture is over here.

what if you have thousand of games? then suddenly steam went downhill, they closed the service and didn't unlock your games? your games were basically taken away from you, would you accept your own reasoning that it's their service and they can shut it down anytime preventing you from any access to your games?

you didn't pay for the games right? you paid for the service? is that right?

everyone know that the service that steam provides is nothing more than a marketplace, that's it. don't know why you keep on insisting that steam service, anyone can download steam for free.

I have hundreds of games if I lose access to them because steam goes downhill, oh well. I chose to get them on that platform knowing what that entailed. I actually read and understood the ToS.

And yes it's their service and they can deny you access to it at anytime, for any reason. It doesn't matter if you can download steam for free, you still agree to their terms of use. And it's still a service.

What is so hard to understand here?

Actually this is the epitome of american business practice.

I swear sooner or later Valve will start charging "subscription fees". I still cannot believe they allow you to activate games not purchased via Steam. It is a matter of time when they feel the squeeze.