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And this is why I still prefer physical media (so long as it doesn't have ridiculous DRM on it). I like to be in control of the software I paid for, permanent control, not just allowed to use it so long as I follow various terms that are subject to change at any time.

Actually physical media is technically no different.

You still agree to a EULA before you are allowed to play the game. You still don't own the game, only the right to play it which can still be revoked at any time. You will still have your right to play the game revoked if you break the EULA. It is just a lot harder for the publisher to enforce it.

Next time you install a game from any physical media look out for the EULA, I guarantee it will be there somewhere. Most of them require you to click on "I accept", some of them assume implicit consent (by playing this game you agree to bla bla bla).

Technically you're correct, but the EULA means nothing to me if it's not enforceable. With physical games, so long as they don't require online DRM or activation, I don't have to worry about the publisher ever denying me the ability to play that game. Even if they tried I'd just get a patch/crack for the game to prevent it. I paid for the game, I'll play it when I want and how I want (offline), period.
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Actually the ToS does prevent you taking legal action against OCN.

 

That still wouldn't be able to stop someone from taking legal action against you however in some scenarios. Stuff like this is mainly in place to stop spit for spat scenarios. If you ripped someone off big time you wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

 

Stating that someone cannot sue you for using your software or site does not mean you, or your service, are not capable of being held accountable for your actions in a court of law.

 

If you want an example of this, start racially abusing some members, with OCN openly embracing it without repercussion, and see how long that ToS would hold up in a court of law (especially with the recent bout of racial abuse going around the media).

 

How about hosting ilegal files knowingly with the owner of the original files being a user?

 

Dramatic scenarios I know, and wouldn't happen (I hope), but you can see my point. You are not above the law, neither will the ToS protect you from it.


Edited by Lifeshield - 8/8/12 at 9:45am
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If you agree to their terms (which are very fair, btw), they don't take away those games. This really isn't anything new.
Have some self-control, and find other games that don't require you to use Steam. You're only a victim if you make yourself one.

LOL

When tons of PC games are locked to steam, steam fanboys say use some self control and dont buy it if you dont like steam. When Bf3 gets locked to origin, bleep bleep greedy EA moneygrubber.
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How is it not news? We had a 90+ page Origin spectacle when they released their TOU saying the exact same thing. Now Valve is officially just as bad as EA in terms of how they view their customers and the service they provide and already we have a few apologist saying it's OK.

This

Oddly enough the people saying "how is this news" participated in bashing EA in the origin thread about this same issue. Steam has now proven they can put whatever they want in their clause and if you don't agree you cannot play the games you already purchased. People were always crying about how Ea and Origins might possibly take away a users rights to play their games, now steam's new possibility makes it an actuality if you don't accept.
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Hmm, I like Steam but their ways are certainly become "dark" they're one to watch, Valve Isn't evil but It appears that they can easily control you..
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How many physical media games are locked into SecuROM or Tages Online DRM? One of advantage over Steam or Origin is that you only lose one game if you violate the eula afaik.

Don't you lose abilitiy to play your games by disagreeing with Xbox Live and Sony PSN EULA? Microsoft also bans your Xbox 360 for using a non-approved aftermarket hard drive/optical drive.

Life is not fair.
Edited by Riou - 8/8/12 at 10:21am
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How is it not news? We had a 90+ page Origin spectacle when they released their TOU saying the exact same thing. Now Valve is officially just as bad as EA in terms of how they view their customers and the service they provide and already we have a few apologist saying it's OK.

Yes Valve is definitely on equal footing with EA on how they treat their customers because I hate how I have to pay for all the l4d2 dlc. Oh and how I have to shell out 13.49 for CS:GO, such a rip off! /Sarcasm

The day Valve starts charging premium plans for any dlc they release along with saying that any type of video game sales cheapen intellectual property then maybe I'll dislike Valve as much as I dislike EA
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I don't think it's right personally. If they want to change the rules of the game this late in they should be compensating people 100% that want to opt out. This is a form of consumer entrapment imo and I would be willing to sign up to fight it.
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How many physical media games are locked into SecuROM or Tages Online DRM? One of advantage over Steam or Origin is that you only lose one game if you violate the eula afaik.
Don't you lose abilitiy to play your games by disagreeing with Xbox Live and Sony PSN EULA? Microsoft also bans your Xbox 360 for using a non-approved aftermarket hard drive/optical drive.
Life is not fair.

this says it all really, especially the bolded part.
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If you are not aware you have 30 days to opt out that piece of the agreement that states the class action law suit, many ppl did that when sony try to push it, plus I'm pretty sure a user agreement made that way wouldn't hold in court, because your not giving your customer any option if they didn't want to accept their agreement, plus leasing your clients from the content they already purchase while on the old agreement, In my opinion, if you don't want to accept the new one, you should be block from purchasing any new content while still being able to use your already purchased content since that content was purchase while on the old agreement.

But thats just me what do I know. =P

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Sooo... joining the party late.

How exactly is this different from any other piece of software or service provided these days?
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